Monday, September 10, 2012

The Talmud Trumps Atheism


no junk in the trunk


 In 1972, the term "junk DNA" was coined by scientists to describe DNA which did not not have any apparent function.

This was believed by evolutionists to be a clear proof of evolution for the following reason:

In copyright law there is a problem when determining if one source has copied another source because it is possible, particularly with topics in narrow subfields, that two authors could converge on a similar sounding passage to describe the same concept. However, errors in the passages are independent of the subject of the text and of each other. Multiple shared errors, particularly in grammar or spelling, become increasingly improbable for two independent writings. If there are several shared errors between two passages the only reasonable explanation is that one is a copy of the other or that both were copied from a common source.

This same concept applies to pseudogenes [an allegedly defective segment of DNA ]. While it is possible that two independently evolved genes will look the same because they both do the same thing, after an error invalidates a gene, the sharing of this same error between two species is extremely strong evidence showing that both species derived from the same source in which the mutation first appeared. By analyzing shared inactivation mutations in non-functional pseudogenes, scientists can construct phylogenetic trees and prove common descent.

It has now been discovered, following an immense federal project involving 440 scientists from 32 laboratories around the world, that the human genome is packed with at least four million gene switches that reside in bits of DNA that once were dismissed as “junk” but that turn out to play critical roles in controlling how cells, organs and other tissues behave. The discovery, considered a major medical and scientific breakthrough, has enormous implications for human health because many complex diseases appear to be caused by tiny changes in hundreds of gene switches.

So the junk DNA is not junk at all. The American Association for the Advancement of Science has gone so far as to call this finding a "eulogy for Junk DNA".

Interestingly, the results of this "immense federal project" could perhaps have been found simply by studying the Talmud. Rab Judah said in Rab's name: Of all that the Holy One, blessed be He, created in His world, He did not create a single thing without purpose (Talmud: Shabbos 77b).

This is also implied by Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom". We cannot begin to have wisdom without the fear of God. A world view based on atheism is bound to be distorted and false.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

... 'A serpent as a remedy for an eruption':13 what is the treatment? One black and one white [serpent] are brought, boiled [to a pulp] and rubbed in.

jewish philosopher said...

Concerning Talmudic science, Maimonides wrote

“You must, however, not expect that everything our Sages say respecting astronomical matters should agree with observation, for mathematics were not fully developed in those days: and their statements were not based on the authority of the Prophets, but on the knowledge which they either themselves possessed or derived from contemporary men of science.” Guide for the Perplexed, CHAPTER XIV

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/gfp150.htm

Additionally, many Talmudic statements which seem to be scientific are in fact allegorical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggadah#As_part_of_the_Jewish_oral_law

We know that Charles Darwin was an enthusiastic believer in hydrotherapy, a quack medical treatment of his time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Manby_Gully#The_Water_Cure_treatment

Besides believing in scientific racism.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/06/evolution-pseudoscience-of-genocide.html

Of course, that by itself doesn't prove evolution to be false. By the same token, the belief by ancient rabbis in the science and medicine of their day does not prove Judaism to be false.  

Avrohom Shlomo said...

Also see the holy Rhiziner's parable on science, of a king who opened his palace to the public. The ordinary people entered the building and were entranced by the beauty and majesty of it. The wise ones realised that this was only the outer rooms, and the inner rooms must be even more beautiful so they didn't stay there and went further. Thus the sages have a knowledge of the inner chambers, but not of the outer ones.

Anonymous said...

Does your position on Talmudic science also apply to direct oral suction during circumcision?

jewish philosopher said...

I don't know a great deal about the details of the Talmudic laws on circumcision. However wound licking is an instinctive and theraputic response to injury in many mammals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_licking

You know how Mommy would kiss the booboo and make it all better? There's a reason for that. So I wouldn't be so fast to knock it as "child abuse".

Flora said...

This has nothing to do with your post, but I thought of a joke especially for you:

Q: Why would a gentile who converts to Judaism become anti-Zionist and anti-evolution?

A: Goyishe kupp!!

jewish philosopher said...

Although it is true that on the average Ashkenazi Jews do have higher IQs than European Christians, however I happen to be well above either group.

Ducky's here said...

Ashkenazi have been inbred for so many generations that they are brain dead.

jewish philosopher said...

For those who drop out of orthodoxy and embrace the insanity called atheism, you may have a point.

Dave said...

For a perspective on rabbinic "wisdom", see this:
http://youtu.be/IC-9uJrotC4

While its not speaking specifically about Judaism, the argument holds for the Talmud as well.

jewish philosopher said...

Rabbinical Jews actually follow the Talmud, not the Bible or our emotions.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2009/05/eternal-torah.html

Dave said...

And, as Pat Condell points out, the Talmud, like all other religious books is human wisdom written by fallible human beings with limited knowledge. You like to quote things that the Talmud was right about, but skip over all of the superstitious or factually incorrect nonsense contained in it.

jewish philosopher said...

The legal code included in the Talmud and summarized in the Shulchan Aruch is of divine origin.

And by the way, atheists do the same. You idolize Darwin while conveniently forgetting about his enthusiastic belief in hydrotherapy, a quack medical treatment of his time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Manby_Gully#The_Water_Cure_treatment

natschuster said...

The Rabbi's of the Talmud sometimes followed the best empirical knowledge of the day. Some of the stuff is similar to stuff found in the writings of the Gentile naturalists. IF the Rabbi's didn't agree with the "experts" of their day, they would be criticized.

Ironmistress said...

Ano, perhaps it is a reference on brewing snake oil?

(ducking for cover)

Don't laugh, snake oil is a millennia-old drug in Chinese traditional medicine. It is excellent on alleviating pain, especially muscle and joint pains because of its high lipid and steroid contents. The Chinese snake oil is made from Chinese water snake; if we knew which species of snakes the line refers to, we could well analyze the contents of the product.

Dave said...

JP: Nobody including atheists idolize Darwin. He holds no authority.

Nat: You reinforce my point (and the point made in the video). They were human beings, exercised human judgement, including in religious and moral issues. They overide/ignore/reinterpret the Torah/Bible based on our human moral instincts.

And today we can do the same. (Since there is no objective morality)

ksil said...

"The legal code included in the Talmud and summarized in the Shulchan Aruch is of divine origin."

If only that were true!

"The Rabbi's of the Talmud sometimes followed the best empirical knowledge of the day."

Heretic!

"Rabbinical Jews actually follow the Talmud, not the Bible"

this made me chuckle.

Dave said...

BTW you did not answer the claim about you "cherry picking" correct statements from the Talmud to "prove" its voracity, while ignoring the nonsense.

jewish philosopher said...

"Nobody including atheists idolize Darwin. He holds no authority."

I'm not so sure.

"The Genius of Charles Darwin: The Uncut Interviews 26 uncut interviews from ‘The Genius of Charles Darwin’, British Broadcasting Awards’ Best Documentary Series of 2008.
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http://store.richarddawkins.net/products/the-genius-of-charles-darwin-the-uncut-interviews

"you "cherry picking" correct statements from the Talmud to "prove" its voracity, while ignoring the nonsense."

As atheists do with Darwin.





jewish philosopher said...

"If only that were true!"

It's true.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2012/01/why-weshould-beorthodox.html

ksil said...

"It's true."

yea, um, its not.



jewish philosopher said...

And is that the decision of your brain or your penis?

Dave said...

"I'm not so sure."

So documentaries are made about Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon . Does that make them "idols"

Studying Darwin is studying the history of science. It's interesting, that's all.

jewish philosopher said...

If 18 hours of interviews celebrating genius (sic) of Darwin, how about a new holiday in his honor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Day#Supporters

jewish philosopher said...

If 18 hours of interviews celebrating the genius (sic) of Darwin isn't enough, how about a new holiday in his honor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Day#Supporters

laugh out loud said...

The Rabbis of the Talmud wrote that they got some of their science from empirical observation and experiment. They sometimes got it wrong,just like scientists do. Some of their science they got from Mesorah. This tends to be more accurate.

Human Ape said...

Evolution is reality. Judaism (and all other cults) are bullshit.

jewish philosopher said...

Judaism is reality. Evolution (and all other cults) are bullshit.