Friday, July 06, 2012

Nietzsche - an Atheist Icon

[the great man, about age 31]

Friedrich Nietzsche is certainly one of the most famous atheists in history, coining the phrase "God is dead".

He is also known to have been one of the great inspirations of the Nazi Party, which was founded twenty years after his death. The Nazi philosopher Alfred Baeumler loved Nietzsche. Hitler personally attended the funeral of Nietzsche's sister in 1935. Supposedly, a copy of Thus Spoke Zarathustra was given to every German soldier in the Nazi era and it was revered as a bible by the Hitler Youth. (This did not begin with the Nazis, actually. During World War I, German soldiers received complimentary copies of Nietzsche.)

What would Nietzsche himself have thought of the Nazis? Probably not much. He was not an anti-Semite or a German nationalist.

So what was it which drew the Nazis to him?

Seemingly, the answer is the following.

Nietzsche believed that the strongest desire of all life is the will to power - the striving to reach the highest possible position in life. This would imply, among other things, that a man can only find happiness and satisfaction in life by dominating others. Nietzsche provided a profound philosophical foundation for the rejection of Judeo-Christian altruism and the embrace of violence and cruelty.

According to Nietzsche, the will to power is the most fundimental human need, superceding survival, reproduction or anything else. Based upon this,  it is easy to understand why fanatic Nazis gladly chose death in battle rather than surrender.

The core of Nietzsche's teachings formed the core of Hitler's teachings. Although still debated by scholars, Nietzsche, the atheist, may have been to Fascism what Marx, the atheist, was to Communism.

From this we see that there is no limit to the evil which may be spawned by the Godless mind.

Nietzsche never married nor fathered children. He became demented at age 44. The dementia became progressively severe until his death at age 55.

44 comments:

bernie said...

i always thought the also sprach thing was just the music from 2001 space odyssey. i always learn something new here

Silverfiddle said...

"From this we see that there is no limit to the evil which may be spawned by the Godless mind."

Indeed.

Excellent and thought-provoking blog!

Anonymous said...

G-d has a place in our lives (whether he really exists or not.) Personally, I need G-d to exist. But I think religion sucks. I think a lot of people deep down believe in a greater power – but also think religion sucks.

The Cahill book “The Gifts of the Jews,” (according to one review) makes the case that the Jews gave the world the “idea of the equality and dignity of each individual that culminated in the declaration that ‘All men are created equal.’" In this way, he says – we are all Jews now.

Now Orthodox Jews in kiruv spend all their time trying (rather unsuccessfully I believe) to make the case that we are still “different.” Only now it is reduced to how we dress, what we eat, and how we spend our Saturdays.

This is why assimilation is rampant. All the great Jewish ideas have made their way into the culture. In fact, when I hear kiruv ravs talk about the Jewish view of life, I often feel like I am listening to Tony Robbins or Oprah. I can barely tell the difference.

So what’s left is the arcane, the archaic, and the inane.

At least it feels that way much of the time.

But a thought provoking post.

Tuvia

jewish philosopher said...

We don't see too many Orthodox Jewish murderers, like about three or four in the past century. So we seem to be doing something right.

natschuster said...

Tuvia:

In our modern society, we do see a focus on equality and universal justice, and such like which are the Jews gift to the world. We also see lots of sexual promiscuity and the negative consequences. We see lots of substance abuse. We see lots of people refusing to assume basic responsibilties. So maybe Orthodoxy still has a lot to offer.

Ironmistress said...

If there is one disease which truly has affected the world history, it must be syphilis.

The pox germ marred the brain of Nietzsche and made him write megalomaniac and outright Satanist philosophy. But also Henry VII, Lenin, Hitler, Ivan IV the Cruel, Idi Amin, Al Capone and Benito Mussolini were syphilites.

jewish philosopher said...

Nietzsche's mental illness was originally diagnosed as tertiary syphilis, in accordance with a prevailing medical paradigm of the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche#Mental_breakdown_and_death_.281889.E2.80.931900.29

That has been questioned.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Legend-Nietzsches-Syphilis-Contributions/dp/0313319405

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/05/1051987657451.html

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0447.2006.00827.x/abstract;jsessionid=B1AC5AC82FC90AA045771DFAAC3672B4.d01t02

So I'm hesitant to mention an STD regarding Nietzsche. We will probably never know what exactly caused his dementia.

Anonymous said...

Was Nietzsche GAY?

jewish philosopher said...

In Nietzsche's time and place, homosexuality was basically unheard of. The word "homosexual" was only invented when he was 25.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Heinrich_Ulrichs#Campaigner_for_sexual_reform

ksil said...

"We don't see too many Orthodox Jewish murderers, "

other secluded small cult like religions can claim the same...

the fact is, the only reason we dont kill homosexuals, sabbath breakers and heretics is becasue we cant. but if we could...oh lord, what a blood bath!

im yirtzah hashem, bimheira v;yameinu we will be able to acheive this greatness that hashem yisborach yearns for....

LOL

love this blog, great commedy

jewish philosopher said...

I guess atheists aren't so secluded so they kill millions right out in the open. ROTFLMAO!!!!

jewish philosopher said...

Here's a photo of the victims of atheists a few years ago in Cambodia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuolsleng4.JPG

ksil said...

i'm glad to see that you dont disagree with what i wrote

Ironmistress said...

It is like Auschwitz had reincarnated at the other side of the world.

The Khmer Rouge didn't even have the excuse of syphilis.

jewish philosopher said...

Ksil, of course I'm not going to lie. Orthodox Jews kill thousands of people, generally small children who are drained of blood and then used for our special Passover crackers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel

And then of course there are those Jewish children who are killed as sacrifices to Satan, as Vicki Polin revealed on Oprah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsTm46RzVh8

(Polin of course later became important in revealing extensive Jewish sexual abuse.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Awareness_Center

But anyway, I think it's best that we keep these racial secrets quiet. 

Next spring just email about what blood type matzos you want and keep in touch about your next satanic human sacrifice and/or gang rape.

LOL

ksil said...

funny, i dont remember saying anything like that....hmmmm...weird.

you could have put genital mutilation on that list, i forgot that lovely bloody sacrafice we make to the ribono shel olam

jewish philosopher said...

You mean that mutilation which is recommended by the World Health Oganization?

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2007/pr10/en/index.html

ksil said...

all of a sudden, the man listens to the advice of scietists,.,...when it suits you.

jewish philosopher said...

If they have proof, I always listen. Unlike atheists, who ignore science.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2012/06/special-creations-plural.html

natschuster said...

Ksil:

I seem to remember learning in the Talmud that Beis Din can't put anyone to death for anything unless lots of very stringent condition are met. A Beis Din that executed someone once in seventy years was considered a horrible anomaly. But I guess, since you stopped going to Daf Yomi, you can't get your facts straight about.

Abe said...

natschuster said...
"A Beis Din that executed someone once in seventy years was considered a horrible anomaly"

Why did the talmud find it necessary to condemn beis din that executed people more than once in 70 years? Because they were doing it a lot more than once in 70 years. Probably once in 70 days would have been characteristic of the prevalent executions of the time.
That is why the talmud in obsessive detail outlined the various forms of executions for many capital crimes.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0004_0_03929.html

jewish philosopher said...

Actually, at a time when the most popular sport was witnessing murder in gladiatorial combat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator

the rabbis were de facto abolishing the death penalty, probably the first nation to do so

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_capital_punishment#Judaism

natschuster said...

Abe:

You seem to be saying that the Talmud means exactly the opposite of what it says. It says that once in seventy years was considered excessive. Do you have bay evidence to back up your assertion that Beis Din gave out the Death Penalty more often?

ksil said...

"evidence"

lol

nat, here is a clue. read the bible. we need to put to death A LOT of people....and as a frum yid, i long for the day when we can finally do so! and our holy temple, where we can slughter tons of animals will be rebuilt, speedily in our days.

you really believe that some savior or messiah will come and rebuild an old temple? really? really?

Abe said...

Re: natschuster said...
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:26:00 AM

No, it means exactly what it says.
In branding these tribunals "bloodthirsty courts" the talmud was obviously injecting a humanistic response to a brazen judicial system gone wild.
Obviously, a few centuries removed from the barbarous biblical practices offered the opportunity to bowdlerize god's savage directives. That the rabbis capitulated to a bit of rational emotion and forbade all that wanton bloodshed, speaks to their selective application of god's biblical mandates. Surely they all would have been executed for their promiscuous disregard of the torah's edicts had they lived in Moses' time.

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7739/did-courts-ever-execute

natschuster said...

Ksil:

We Orthodox Jews are not Biblical literalists. We get our clues from the Talmud. The Talmud says that it was almost impossible to actually carry out the death penalty.

Dave said...

Nat,

By the time of the Talmudic era, the Amoraim were either in Bavel or in Judea, under the occupation of Rome. Most likely there were few or no executions by Jewish authorities, so the Talmudic statements are probably accurate.

However during the final period of the second temple period, things were quite violent, and executions were common (although not necessarily by the beit din).

Indeed, the transition to rabbinic Judaism in diaspora msde Judaism more pacifist and less violent.

natschuster said...

Abe:

Are you trying to prove my point? The link you provided mention half a dozen or so cases over a period of some fifteen centuries. And most of them were anomalies.

natschuster said...

Dave:

Abe and Ksil are asserting that as soon as Torah Jews have the authority, we will be executing people in large numbers, just like their fellow atheists do. I'm saying that the Talmud makes it abundantly clear that this just won't happen, and it never did.

ksil said...

"just like their fellow atheists do"

lol

in the name of atheism and evolution i will chop off your head!! lol!!, good stuff nat, good stuff

light a match on saturday with 2 witnesses and a warning? S'kilah!

jewish philosopher said...

Check out good old Jeff Dahmer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjW7bezdddE

He cut off plenty of heads in the name of atheism. And ate them too! LOL!!!

natschuster said...

Ksil:


Just live in an atheist country and starve to death for no reason at all.

And you need a lot more than witnesses and a warning, don't you? The person has to answer that knows. We have to know his intent. The witnesses have to undergo a very thorough cross examination by the judges. It really is very hard to give someone Skilla.

Your fellow atheist have no trouble killing without any due process at all.

ksil said...

hey, at least you dont deny it!

any antheist, or christian, or muslim that kills in the name of its religion (although i have never heard an atheist kill in the name of atheism) is a horrible immoral person/country/relgion.

too bad you cant make that statement

jewish philosopher said...

Atheists have no fear of God, so they kill constantly for any reason or no reason. They believe people are no different than worms.

ksil said...

you should change the name of your blog to strawman

jewish philosopher said...

We even have out own secret atheist baby killer

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2011/08/baby-killer-and-secret-atheist.html

Just like you Ksil. lol!

ksil said...

hysterical

i also heard that jeffrey dahmer secretly believed in rabbinic orthodox judaism....but never told anyone.

jewish philosopher said...

So how many kids have you dismembered and thrown into dumpsters, Mr Hysterical?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Leiby_Kletzky

Secret atheists in particular are living double lives in any case, so who knows what they're really up to.

lol

ksil said...

huh?

bizarre comment

jewish philosopher said...

Let's just hope we can out all the secret atheists before anyone else gets hurt.

natschuster said...

Ksil:

The Bolshevics killed plenty of people in an attempt to eradicate religion. The Communists in China are still at it. Same with North Korea. And an atheist president of Mexico killed lotsof religious people.

If you succeed in your quest of making the world atheistic we can expect to see a marked increase in genocide, mass murder, ect. Just study history. You don't seem to have a problem with this, as long as the killing is not done in the name of atheism.

Anonymous said...

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No matter how many times these canards are regurtitated by kiruv mouthpieces, it does not make it true

Altruism, a God of Love who intervenes for his childre, ethical monotheism; all these ideas were already present among the great religions of the world LONG LONG before there ever was a Judaism

Anonymous said...

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The Bolsheviks were also an example of genocide committed by Jews. The Bolseviks were nearly entirely Jewish

And their slaughters surpasses the Holocaust! uh-oh !

jewish philosopher said...

" all these ideas were already present among the great religions of the world LONG LONG before there ever was a Judaism"

Where?

" The Bolseviks were nearly entirely Jewish"

They were atheists.