Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Unmasking Imposters


[You are so busted.]

A serious problem within the orthodox community is the problem of impostors - people who were orthodox Jews, who no longer believe in the divine origin of the Torah yet who, for whatever reason, continue to pretend to be orthodox whenever orthodox Jews are watching.

One problem with these people is that they might kill us. Levi Aron is a Brooklyn resident who has confessed to murdering on July 12, 2011 an eight year old Orthodox boy. Prior to his arrest, Aron was a member of an Orthodox synagogue and had once studied in a yeshiva. According to news reports, police offered Aron food at some point the evening of his arrest. Aron said that he did not eat kosher and when detectives suggested he get Burger King or McDonald's, he said McDonald's. He wound up eating Chinese food. 

Additionally, these people may have a very negative influence on others – for example  they may secretly try to corrupt immediate family members, classmates, etc. I would assume that the kosher chicken scandal several years ago was the work of such an individual. We can only imagine in what other ways these people may be spiritually undermining the community – whether in making their family’s kitchen not kosher, writing not kosher mezuzos and tefillin, leading the congregation in prayers which they do not believe in, spreading illegal drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, etc.

Imposters may also commit crimes which are then a source of embarrassment to the orthodox community. The news will report "an orthodox Jew went to a prostitute" or "an orthodox Jew purchased child pornography" while in reality this person is merely an imposter who should have been exposed and shunned long ago.

If you suspect a family member of being an imposter there are, thanks to modern technology, simple steps which can be taken to clarify the situation.

First of all, if the suspect doesn't already have it, get him home Internet access and a smartphone.

Next, install monitoring software on the phone and the computer. With this configured, you will be able to track the suspect's location on a map in real time, record every keystroke he makes, every telephone number called and received, every webpage accessed, every photo or video taken with the phone, every text, email, etc. This should reveal a fairly complete picture of the suspect's activities.

If you suspect drug usage, then obtain a small hair sample and send it in for analysis. You’ll know exactly what he’s been using for the past three months.

If you suspect that your unmarried daughter is sexually active, and monitoring software has not answered the question, you might want to test her underpants for semen. This will reveal any unprotected, heterosexual vaginal intercourse.

Once a secret heretic is revealed he may then be expelled from our homes, synagogues and schools. I would ideally like to see a computer registry set up to track exposed secret heretics, similar to the websites now used for sex predators.

In addition to these practical efforts to track down and ostracize atheists, we must also fervently pray for the immediate destruction of Jewish heretics.

There is no reason for us to continue to be victimized by secret atheists. If we wish to, we can make secret atheism a thing of the past with a little serious effort.

59 comments:

The Bald Guy said...

"A serious problem within the orthodox community is the problem of impostors - people who were orthodox Jews, who no longer believe in the divine origin of the Torah yet who, for whatever reason, continue to pretend to be orthodox whenever orthodox Jews are watching.

One problem with these people is that they might kill us."

Are you for real???

ksil said...

i am a secret heretic and i might kill you

booga booga

LOL

ksil said...

my favorite thing to do is daven from the amud. i hope, god willing, to be the shaliach tzibbur in your shul one day, bimeheira v'yameinu

jewish philosopher said...

Once this post goes viral, dirt like you guys will be history.

ksil said...

Best. Post. Ever. congrats. I hope it goes viral, its hilarious!

jewish philosopher said...

Remember - cyberspace is a two edged sword. The Light can fight back.

Ironmistress said...

The main difference between Jewish and Christian prayer seems to be that Jews fervently pray for the immediate destruction of Jewish heretics while Christians pray they'd find the truth.

Christians have learned something of the Inquisition and persecution of the Heretics. The same lesson has not yet been learnt by the Jews.

Haven't yet seen a heretic Agnostic. Or a heretic Buddhist. Or a heretic Hindu.

jewish philosopher said...

We never had an inquisition. We let God take care of His haters.

Ironmistress said...

No, Jews traditionally have just helped God a little bit of taking care of those suspected of hating God.

Anonymous said...

If Xtians have been accused of intolerance and bigotry, they sure have had excellent teachers.

You're even worse kooks than any Xtian fundies, which are crazy enough.

jewish philosopher said...

"No, Jews traditionally have just helped God a little bit of taking care of those suspected of hating God."

Actually, Jews are probably the first community in history to abolish capital punishment, in 30 AD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_capital_punishment#Judaism

Finland followed a mere 1,942 years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Finland

"If Xtians have been accused of intolerance and bigotry, they sure have had excellent teachers."

I don't see any reason to tolerate hypocrites, but I guess some people are fine with it.

Yosi said...

Shalom Jacob,

Have you heard of Rabbi Mizrachi? what do you think about his teachings, or his debate with a christian? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDbOCKdSIR8

Anonymous said...

Great! If this were implemented the Orthodox community population would probably decrease by 90%.

Ironmistress said...

I'd recall Israel still has capital punishment in effect. So much for your straw man of an argument.

Ironmistress said...

It seems that Sephardic Jews practised capital punishment based on religious basis still in the Middle Ages: see here

jewish philosopher said...

"If this were implemented the Orthodox community population would probably decrease by 90%."

The truly orthodox would decrease by 0%. The number appearing on the evening news crime stories, which are then recycled by white supremacists like stormfront.org, might decrease by over 90%.  

"I'd recall Israel still has capital punishment in effect."

Israel has little to do with Judaism.

Israel is not a theocracy; however, it is governed by the rule of law as drafted by a democratically elected parliament. It is informed by Jewish values and adheres to many Jewish religious customs (such as holidays), but this is similar to the United States and other nations that are shaped by the Judeo-Christian heritage and also have expressly religious elements (e.g., church-state separation in the U.S. does not preclude the recognition of Christmas as a holiday).

Israel has no state religion, and all faiths enjoy freedom of worship.

http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=55895 

"Sephardic Jews practised capital punishment"

Killing someone who worked as an informer for the murderous Spanish Inquisition was simply personal self defense, something condoned by everyone except for a small number of absolute pacifists.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/pacifism/#SSH2a.iii 

Ironmistress said...

I don't see any reason to tolerate hypocrites, but I guess some people are fine with it.

Human life is a greater judicial good than doctrinal orthodoxy. That is why I am personally perfectly fine with letting hypocrites live.

jewish philosopher said...

Once a secret heretic is revealed he may then be expelled from our homes, synagogues and schools. I would ideally like to see a computer registry set up to track exposed secret heretics, similar to the websites now used for sex predators.

No ones killing anybody. Actually, Jews are probably the first community in history to abolish capital punishment, in 30 AD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_capital_punishment#Judaism

Proud Orthodox Jew said...

If you want to know what Orthodox Judaism, read the Torah the way the orthodox Jews do, and get some research on their beliefs instead of assuming they are here to ruin the world.
Actually, Judaism is the forerunner of Christianity, the difference that I understand, from a Jewish perspective, is that we believe in the first of the Ten Commandments- I am Your ONLY G-d. Chrisitanity believes in more than ONLY one G-d, yet they claim to truly follow G-d's word, as they contradict the first commandment all along!

JRKmommy said...

Capital punishment in Israel was used one time, and one time only, for Adolph Eichmann.

Use of capital punishment for religious purposes in Judaism disappeared almost 2,000 years ago.

The prayer against heretics was instituted at Yavneh after the Roman conquest of Judea. At that time, the concern wasn't so much about simple lack of belief, as it was about dissident groups threatening to tear the community apart, or cause problems with the Roman rulers.

As for surveilance on one's family - giving family members the message that you are too paranoid to trust them does not help any relationship.

Rabbi Noach Orlowek gives the opposite advice in his book Raising Roses Among the Thorns. He makes the point that expressing trust in your child is essential, ESPECIALLY if there is a risk of that child leaving Orthodoxy, and gives the example of a child who decided to stop going to a secular group after overhearing her father saying that he knew his child would never do such a thing. Rabbi Orlowek is a revered educator in the yeshivish Orthodox world.

Jacob Stein's ideas are strictly his own. He has not identified any other Orthodox rabbi who supports his methods, despite numerous requests.

I would also point out that the methods advocated may possibly be illegal, depending on local laws. I have also handled a number of custody cases in which the fact that a parent used surveillance or wanted to investigate whether a daughter was still a virgin were factors in awarding custody to the other parent. In the case of the virginity-obsessed father, he not only lost custody but also lost access and now has a restraining order against him.

The Bald Guy said...

I don't believe this whole post. So anyone who commits an aveirah, as sin, is a heretic. Hm, the kosher chicken guy was simply a heretic and impostor. A sexually active teen is a heretic and imposter. Anyone who's not a perfect, sin-free Torah observer (such as yourself) is a heretic and impostor and should be driven out. Wow, that's a convenient worldview, cuts down on the amount of thinking one must do. I see.
What planet are you from... oh wait, you're from Monsey/Rockland County. No wonder. Actually, I live in Wesley Hills and we're planning on getting the h*ll out because the very air of Rockland County is obviously poisonous to the mind...

jewish philosopher said...

"As for surveilance on one's family - giving family members the message that you are too paranoid to trust them does not help any relationship."

"Hillel said, do not separate from the community, do not trust yourself till the day you die," Avot 2:5

http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter2-5b.html

If I cannot trust myself, I'm certainly not trusting anyone else. This is why we have prohibitions about being secluded with an unrelated member of the opposite sex, for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yichud

"Rabbi Noach Orlowek gives the opposite advice in his book Raising Roses Among the Thorns. He makes the point that expressing trust in your child is essential, ESPECIALLY if there is a risk of that child leaving Orthodoxy, and gives the example of a child who decided to stop going to a secular group after overhearing her father saying that he knew his child would never do such a thing."

I actually have that book right now in front of me, however I can't find that passage. In any case, although I'm sure that Rabbi Orlowek is a fine person, no rabbi is infallible. Secondly, if you follow all his advise in the book, you most likely will not have too many serious problems. Just as an example, he absolutely prohibits allowing your child to be exposed to any type of motion picture. page 328

"Jacob Stein's ideas are strictly his own. He has not identified any other Orthodox rabbi who supports his methods, despite numerous requests."

I have never claimed that this blog has the approbation of any other rabbi, and it doesn't, and neither does any other website, magazine or newspaper to my knowledge. Nevertheless I think that anyone familiar with the orthodox community would realize that most orthodox rabbis and laymen would have no problem with anything I'm writing. I stay away from controversial (within orthodoxy) topics. Lubavitch and modern orthodox are a minority within orthodoxy.  

"I would also point out that the methods advocated may possibly be illegal"

I'm not aware of any legal issues, however consult a local attorney if in doubt.

The FBI incidentally encourages parental monitoring of children's phone and Internet use.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/parent-guide

"In the case of the virginity-obsessed father, he not only lost custody but also lost access and now has a restraining order against him."

In the vast majority of orthodox families there are no custody issues because the family is intact.

And actually Judaism does take the virginity issue pretty seriously. For example a single woman is required to allow herself to be murdered rather than submit to intercourse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sacrifice_in_Jewish_law#Sexual_immorality

"So anyone who commits an aveirah, as sin, is a heretic."

Not exactly. I have another post dealing with heresy in detail.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2009/06/jewish-heretics.html 

Yossi said...

Hello, Jacob.

I would just like to point out that maybe you are being too tough on atheists. According to google's dictionary, an atheist is "A person who does not believe in the existence of God". At least according to this translation of the word, atheists are doing nothing against the Torah, because the Torah never asks a Jew to "believe" in god, because believing is not knowing. Rather, the Torah always emphasizes "knowing", we ought to "know" that Hashem is our god, not "believe".

For all you know, an atheist might be trying very hard to obtain 100% knowledge that god exists (like the Torah commands), but can't do it yet, and therefore "believes" that god does not exist for the time being (I think I know Jews like this). This option fits much better with the Torah than simply "believing" god exists, because believing is not knowing, and I never see you criticize those people who simply "believe" god exists.

If I remember rightly, there is actually only 1 time that the word "believe" is used in the OT, and that is in Jeremiah, when god says that we need to "know, believe, and understand him". How many Jews including myself understand this verse is that first we must "know" that god exists, then we must "believe" him about prophecies, then in the future when the prophecies are fulfilled we will "understand" him.

jewish philosopher said...

Actually, atheists are going to he'll forever.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2009/06/jewish-heretics.html

Anonymous said...

Mr Stein, your Christian roots show, with your obession with apostasy. heresy and damnation in hell. No Orthodox Jews I know believe any of that stuff nowadays.

jewish philosopher said...

In fact all these are ideas are fully accepted in orthodox circles, with the exception of the small and shrinking modern orthodox community.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2010/03/modern-orthodoxy-is-it-ok.html

Anonymous said...

lol Hysterical! Great post

jewish philosopher said...

The hysterical part will be when you see your face on posters all around your neighborhood.

jewish philosopher said...

The interesting thing is that exactly the same cutting edge technology which has made it possible for these impostors to organize and flourish can used to crush them and eliminate them.

Yossi said...

"Actually, atheists are going to he'll forever."

No, actually, what you just said has no basis in Judaism, and the link you gave me was unrelated to my post. Sometimes I wonder whether you actually read my posts or just glance at the first sentence.

Atheists aren't going to hell forever, that's for sure, just look at Baba Mezia 58b at the bottom.

http://halakhah.com/babamezia/babamezia_58.html

"R. Hanina said: All descend into Gehenna, excepting three. 'All' — can you really think so?! But say thus: All who descend into Gehenna [subsequently] reascend, excepting three, who descend but do not reascend. He who commits adultery with a married woman, publicly shames his neighbour, or fastens an evil epithet [nickname] upon his neighbour."

Anonymous said...

Why don't you contact Reb Matisyahu Soloman? He is making a huge asifa in a couple of months, maybe you and him can announce a new initiative to use modern technology to cleanse our holy community!!!!

jewish philosopher said...

"Atheists aren't going to hell forever, that's for sure, just look at Baba Mezia 58b at the bottom."

See Tosofos there. These three will go to hell for a significant period of time, however heretics really go forever as stated in Rosh haShanah 17a.

Ksil said...

Lets argue what some ancient rabbis from thousands of years ago say about who goes to hell and what it is!!

LOLOL

It literally made me spit my chometz into the pesadike chicken soup....i feel so bad for all those people at my seder who will be eating chometz on yuntif! And its your fault mr. Philosopher!!!

The beauty is, nothing like you say in this post will EVER happen, so all of us heretics can continue along our way and mess up your grand plans....which i continue to do. I davened musaf from the amud this past shabbos and told a couple of 14 yr olds that none of this stuff is true.l.land they should remember that as long as they live, and left them

Peace

jewish philosopher said...

"nothing like you say in this post will EVER happen"

How do you know? ROFLMAO!!!

Ksil said...

I know

And frankly, i could care less if people knew.... Let them see the light...maybe we could unbrainwash some people

Yossi said...

Tell me, from where exactly in the tosfot, or the gemara in Rosh haShanah 17a do you get the word "heretics"? and then you claim that "modern atheists" are the type of people the gemara called "heretics" 2000 years ago? that's quite a stretch...

jewish philosopher said...

"I know"

Your penis knows.

"Tell me, from where exactly"

Just read it. It's black and white, seriously.

Yossi said...

Also, Jacob, I'm very surprised how you answer some of these comments, is it not written (Proverbs 26:4) "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."?!

Anonymous said...

The irony here is that you're likely to discover that, in fact, the majority of orthodox Jews are "imposters" as you define them, and that the definition of orthodoxy, having evolved, leaves you out.

Despite your copious quotations from scripture and Talmud, there are no orthodox movements (ultra-orthodox included) that advocate what you advocate. (So far you have been unable to provide an example)


Like the Islamic world, with its extremists and zealots, you fall into the category of zealot Jews, far outside the mainstream.

I'm sure that Meir Kahana also thought that he was representing "authentic" Judaism. So do Neturei Karta.

jewish philosopher said...

"I'm very surprised how you answer some of these comments"

I'm just being honest.

"the majority of orthodox Jews are "imposters" as you define them"

Why?

"there are no orthodox movements (ultra-orthodox included) that advocate what you advocate"

Other orthodox rabbis simply prohibit Internet usage and smartphones entirely. I'm accepting the fact that outside some Hassidic homes they are universal for better or worse, however they can become a weapon in the orthodox arsenal. 

Anonymous said...

I'm not just talking about internet. I'm talking about the whole idea of trying to track down "heretics" in order to throw them out of the community. I've never heard of anybody suggesting that. I've never heard of anybody advocating praying for the death of "heretics" in modern times, as policy or practical halachah. The text in the amidah is historical and nobody says it refers to modern day "apostates" as you define them.

"Why"

Because you define an apostate as anybody who doesn't believe in god as you do, or heaven or hell. Which is probably a majority of Orthodox Jews.

jewish philosopher said...

The idea of expelling sinners is hardly original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herem_(censure)

Regarding your other remarks, apparently you're living in a modern orthodox community, which, as I explain, is a dying minority within orthodoxy.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2010/03/modern-orthodoxy-is-it-ok.html

ksil said...

"The idea of expelling sinners is hardly original."

this is very rare.

in my small shul (not modern orthodox) we have 2 people that are known (1 convicted) child molestors, 3 guys who sat in jail for fraud, and one who is a known drug addict. they get aliyas, etc. its gross.

i have yet to see anyone thrown out of my shul, much less my community. so not sure what you are talking abuot,. putting people in cherem is VERY rare....if it ever happens.

i think they put slifkin's BOOKS in cherem,.,..whatever that means...of course they only put stuff in cherem that challenges the rabbis....LOL

what a joke

jewish philosopher said...

"in my small shul we have (1 convicted) child molester"

In all of Monsey there are only three, out of I'm conservatively guessing 50 shuls.

http://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/SomsSUBDirectory/search_index.jsp?offenderSubmit=true&LastName=&County=&Zip=10952&Submit=Search

So you've somehow found a shul with one, plus one more "unconvicted" offender (meaning what? there isn't enough evidence to convince a jury but you saw him do it? or it is you?) plus a drug addict (he told you? it is you?) and three other convicted felons.

Is this shul located by any chance inside a corrections facility?

Anyway, about shunning, after the chicken scandal and the Kletzky killing, I think we need to bring it back if was ever discontinued.      

Anonymous said...

I am grateful for this post and others like it, as it brings to the light of day the depravity of ultra-orthodox thinking. There's nothing like public exposure of corrupt, wrong headed or false ideas in order to discredit them. If Americans only really knew what ultra-orthodox REALLY think and believe, they would kick you out of the country like Al Qaida.

We all look forward to more rantings about death penalty for homosexuals, hunting down apostates, conspiracy theories about science, damnation in hell and the like.

Keep 'em coming!

jewish philosopher said...

"If Americans only really knew what ultra-orthodox REALLY think and believe, they would kick you out of the country like Al Qaida."

Big deal. We've been expelled from many countries because of our unpopular beliefs.
 
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

We're still here.

"death penalty for homosexuals"

You prefer to see innocent blacks dying in droves.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2011/12/crime-of-century-aids-orphans-thanks.html

Good for you.

"hunting down apostates"

I'm sure you would be happier that we bury our heads in the sand and ignore secret atheists. Then when some "orthodox" child molester or whoremonger appears on the news you could use that to denounce the orthodox community.

"conspiracy theories about science"

Scientists have many times been caught lying. There is no debate about that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_misconduct

Atheism is based on a conspiracy theory about the Bible, as I explain.

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2006/12/truth-of-judaism.html

"damnation in hell"

Which you know is false based on what? Because you don't like the idea of inevitable justice for your criminal behavior?

Anonymous said...

"Atheism is based on a conspiracy theory about the Bible, as I explain."

Since Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, and Shintoists also don't believe in the Bible, they must be conspiracy theories, too. Right?

And since Jews don't believe in Mohammad, they must believe in conspiracies as well.

"[Hell] Which you know is false based on what?"

Great. Go ahead. Keep it coming!

jewish philosopher said...

I'm not sure what Buddhists think, however according to atheism, Judaism is basically the fabrication of Ezra the Scribe. Abraham, Moses, etc never even existed. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_with_Sources_Revealed#Comparison_with_Wellhausen

According to atheism, Ezra possessed an almost magical ability to control information and human behavior. Therefore he was able to instantly convince the entire far flung Jewish community as well as the Samaritan community who were enemies of the Jews that their earlier traditions were wrong and that his new Torah was authentic. 

http://www.criticalthinkeracademy.com/2011/tct-017-critical-thinking-about-conspiracies-part-2/

Oddly, Jews have never given Ezra credit for being the founder of their religion. Samaritans don't acknowledge him at all.

But let's talk about you for a minute.

According to atheists, free will is an illusion. We are in fact robot like zombies who actually have no moral responsibility for our behavior.

http://www.naturalism.org/atheism.htm#littlegod

Is it any wonder then that so many atheists are mass killers?

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2011/10/atheists-have-license-to-kill.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

Ksil said...

Thank god religion has been in decline....and the secularists are taking more and more control over the world

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/03/27/3464924.htm

Anonymous said...

"Is it any wonder then that so many atheists are mass killers?

We can add this to your list of pearls of wisdom:

1. The 99.99% of the world population of non-believers in orthodox Judaism rely on conspiracies
2. Atheists are inclinced to mass murder, whoremongering and child molestation
3. non-believers go to hell forever
4. modern evolution biology is a conspiracy theory against clergy
5. Homosexuals should be put to death
6. Apostates should be hunted down and thrown out of their families and communities

Anything else? Have I left anything out?

jewish philosopher said...

"Thank god religion has been in decline"

Not really. For example in Europe the secular majority is dying off while being replaced by Muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

Every primarily atheistic community has experienced mass killings, low fertility rates or both. Not a recipe for success in the long term.

Pinker's book by the way has gotten mixed reviews. 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bookreview-steven-pinker-the-better-angels-of-our-nature-why-violence-has-declined

Since about 1950 things have quieted down a bit, however that doesn't prove much.

"The 99.99% of the world population of non-believers in orthodox Judaism rely on conspiracies"

Actually a large percentage of the world fully agrees that God gave the Jews the Torah at Mount Sinai. They simply add that later on Jesus or Mohammed cancelled it. Atheists however seem to rely upon some sort of conspiracy theory to deny it, not unlike Holocaust deniers. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

"Atheists are inclinced to mass murder, whoremongering and child molestation"

And much more, given motive and opportunity. Without God everything is permitted.

"modern evolution biology is a conspiracy theory against clergy"

Atheism is simply a religion, like any other religion. Believing in the trinity generally is not considered to be a "conspiracy". Islam is not a "conspiracy" against Christianity.

Anonymous said...

I am referring to non-Jews rejection of the Torah. You said that atheists must believe in a conspiracy theory to reject the Torah.

I say that Muslims rejection of the Torah is also a conspiracy theory: It was forged and distorted by the all Jews.

Similarly, the Christians rejection of the Torah, is a conspiracy theory, too: The prophets were all alluding to Jesus as Messiah, and all of the Pharasee's rejection of him was a conspiracy, too- they were hiding the truth.

I also assert that the Hindu's rejection of the Torah is probably related to the fact that they never heard such a thing in their history, so the Jews must be making it up.

Basically, every religion's rejection of another religion involves conspiratorial thinking. The followers of other religions made stuff up, then peddled it as the ultimate truth.

jewish philosopher said...

A conspiracy theory is likely to be politically populist, in that it usually claims to lay bare an action taken by a small power elite against the people. Or, as a Californian professor of theology could tell an audience at the Copenhagen central library with regard to 9/11: "Members of the elite of our society may not think that the truth should be revealed." By contrast, belief in the conspiracy makes you part of a genuinely heroic elite group who can see past the official version duplicated for the benefit of the lazy or inert mass of people by the powers that be. There will usually be an emphasis on the special quality of thought required to appreciate the existence of the conspiracy. The conspiracists have cracked the code, not least because of their possession of an unusual and perceptive way of looking at things. Those who cannot or will not see the truth are variously described as robots or, latterly, as sheeple — citizens who shuffle half awake through their conventional lives.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123127032#123127943

This does seem to be the atheist view regarding the founding of Judaism by Ezra.

According to atheism, Ezra possessed an almost magical ability to control information and human behavior. Therefore he was able to instantly convince the entire far flung Jewish community as well as the Samaritan community who were enemies of the Jews that their earlier traditions were wrong and that his new Torah was authentic. 

That's not generally how the origins of religions are perceived by non-members.

ah-pee-chorus said...

This is hilarious!! I want you to videotape when you get in front of your shul and exclaim , " You'll never guess what I found in my daughters panties!!!"

In perfect form you use the 'no true scotsman' logical fallacy to ensure that theres never been a REAL orthodox believer who has ever committed a crime.

I am often asked by the gabbai in my MO shul to be the shliach tzibbur and he knows I'm a kofer. I always refuse because I dont think its proper for me to be the shliach for the tzibbur given my apikursut and the fact that there are a few members who wouldnt be happy if they knew what I really thought. But after this post I think I'll accept and be the chazan for mussaf on peysach. Thanks JP, youve inspired me.

jewish philosopher said...

What's really hysterically funny is that the very same technology which over the past decade has created a community of hundreds of orthodox impostors can now be used to expose them to the entire world. LOL!!

Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:52:00 AM

M H said...

Mr. Philosopher: It does seem you are looking at things too black and white. A person may be an 'impostor' but he is not an apikores for doing aveiros. And as long as a person does believe and is part of shlomei emunei Yisroel, we shouldn't kick them out and shun them but rather try to help them deal with their problems. Teens & others who are engaging in drug abuse or other inappropriate activities are not by definition kofrim. I feel as though your extreme tone is only inviting leitzim to mock you.

jewish philosopher said...

I think I carefully explained my definition of "imposter":

people who were orthodox Jews, who no longer believe in the divine origin of the Torah yet who, for whatever reason, continue to pretend to be orthodox whenever orthodox Jews are watching.

Ray McIntyre said...

There are very few Rabbis who would agree with you and your hatred of others. Perhaps you might do well to remember the command to do good to others.

jewish philosopher said...

Unmasking and shunning imposters is good, as I explain in this post.

It's a little bit ironic that if I would advocate tolerating hypocrites, then every time someone phoney with a yarmulke appears on television in handcuffs, atheist will be all over me screaming "See! Religion doesn't make you a good person!" On the other hand if I advocate outing and shunning imposters then I'm a hater and bad person. So, at least in their minds, atheists always win.