Friday, January 13, 2012

The Atheist "Rabbi"


[here's Jeff]

I came across this week a blog entitled The Atheist Rabbi. The blog is almost entirely devoted to denigrating anyone who believes in God. Comments are moderated. No critical comments will be posted by the "rabbi". Apparently criticism embarrasses him since he cannot respond to it intelligently.

It's written by a man named Jeffrey Falick.  He is about 50. He writes that he was ordained by a Reform seminary in 1989 and is currently a member of the Society for Humanistic Judaism, a small sect which is even more secular than Reform.

He is openly homosexual and resides with his male partner.

Based on research that I have done, I happen to know that he was previously married to a woman and fathered a daughter in 1991. The daughter today is apparently orthodox.

He is currently employed as Assistant Executive Director for the Dave and Mary Alper Jewish Community Center in Miami, Florida.

I have never written a post about another blog before, however I am making an exception in this case. I believe that it is an incredible insult to the rabbinate for an individual like this to claim to be a rabbi. If he simply called himself "Mr" I wouldn't give him a second thought. The Internet is loaded with liars, lunatics, perverts, scumbags and so on of all stripes. That's nothing noteworthy. However I do feel the need to protest when one calls himself "rabbi". I really haven't seen something like that before, surely not such an extreme example. Even Reform Judaism officially accepts a belief in God. A militantly atheist "rabbi" is just absurd. How can a clergyman be openly antireligious? Can one imagine the harm done if some naive person were to approach this man for spiritual guidance? I feel it's as if someone like Ron Jeremy (also Jewish by the way) would start calling himself "rabbi". Imagine the storm of disgust and protest that would provoke. What's next - "The Neo-Nazi Rabbi"? "The Islamic Terrorist Rabbi"?

As publicly listed on the Internet, Falick resides at:
1621 Bay Rd, Apt 507
Miami Beach, FL 33139-3250
(305) 531-7720
jfalick@yahoo.com

He works at:
Dave and Mary Alper JCC on The Jay Morton-Levinthal Campus
11155 SW 112th Avenue Miami, FL 33176
Telephone: 305.271.9000 ext 239 
Fax: 305.595.1902
rabbi@alperjcc.org
 
Joan Stern
Human Resource Director
305.271.9000 ext 347
jstern@alperjcc.org

the president of the Dave and Mary Alper JCC is:
Jorge Rawicz
office:
President, Terra Mortgage Bankers
1900 N Bayshore Drive, Unit 204-A
Miami, FL 33132
(305)921-0818
home:
20379 W Country Club Dr
Aventura, FL 33180-1666
(305) 931-7876

136 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am an Orthodox Jewish woman who happened upon your blog a few days ago and have been checking it regularly. Today, I read this post and visited the blog you wrote about. However, I was unable to find anything on his blog openly denigrating the belief in God. While his blog is entitled "The Atheist Rabbi" he does not rudely mock, disparage, or belittle people who do. It seems that he writes about politics, both Israeli and American, and various new happenings in science. I also happened to notice that he sometimes writes about liberal religion too, in a respectful manner. As a frum Jew it boggles me that you would commit such an outright, obvious chilul Hashem by writing such hateful and privacy-violating things about a fellow Jew, no matter what his personal belief about God may be. I'm not sure why you felt the need to post something on your blog outrightly smearing another blog. Do you think this will make him take down his blog? I highly doubt it. As you so rightly point out, this is the internet and freedom of speech does exist in this country. Rabbi or Mr or Whoever Falick has the constitutional right to write about whatever he likes. By the way, I am frum from birth as is my entire family and I attended Bais Yaakov and let me tell you that this is not the way a true ben or bas Yisroel acts (or treats homosexuality). I'm sorry you have to live in a state where gays can be legally married. You should be happy to know that in 44 states it is illegal.

You are making a HUGE chilul Hashem and you should be ashamed. This is NOT what Orthodox Judaism, or ANY Judaism, is about.

Why don't you leave this man's punishment up to Hashem and worry about your own fate?

ROBERT D. SCHREIBMAN said...

JEFFREY IS A RESPECTFUL, AND A RESPECTED RABBI. I AM PROUD TO HAVE HIM AS A COLLEAGUE, AND ONLY REGRET HE LIVES TOO FAR AWAY TO BE A FRIEND.

MEANWHILE, YOU DO RIGHT AND AVOID WRONG FOR AN EVENTUAL REWARD. HE IS FAR MORE MORAL AND ETHICAL THAN YOU. IT EVEN SAYS SO IN THE TALMUD, DO NOT DO THINGS FOR REWARDS, OR AVOID THINGS TO ESCAPE PUNISHMENT, BUT FOR ITS OWN SAKE.

Anonymous said...

I am absolutely appalled that to you Jewish values inspire you to say hateful things about this person, publish his personal information online (what is that but a threat or an invitation to immoral and illegal harassment?), and judge him in this way.

Rabbi Falick is an honourable, caring, committed Jew and leader who inspires many. His idea of what it means to be Jewish is to inspire goodness in the world. You could learn a lesson or two from him. I'd sooner call him a Rabbi than an immoral and dangerous extremist such as yourself!

Rabbi Judith Seid said...

Shame on you for this incitement to violence and shame on every Jew who would break the sanctity of klal yisrael by acting on ths incitement.

Anonymous said...

It is one thing to disagree, but posting an individual's personal information is an incitement of retribution or veiled threat at best. This behavior is not Jewish, and you are not a philospher. Disgusting.

Jeff said...

JP, Humanistic Judaism is a secular movement, many of their rabbis are probably agnostic or atheist. What is so shocking? In their own communities they consider their rabbis to be spiritual leaders, Why do you care?

Anonymous said...

Your are the Sanhedrin, who can pronounce judgement of life and death? May H' have mercy on your errant and arrogant soul.

Javier.EJSF said...

The way you, Jacob, have reacted it's very mean. I understand your anger against Falick's beliefs (or lack thereof) but I think you've gone way too far publishing his private data. What are you looking for? Would like someone doing it to you? What's next?
I would really appreciate if you ponder once again this post I decide to keep out private information.
Now that you're part of our proud Jewish people, please, don't give us a bad name.

jewish philosopher said...

Regarding why I have written this post, I thought I made that clear, however let's try again.

I believe that it is an incredible insult to the rabbinate for an individual like this to claim to be a rabbi. If he simply called himself "Mr" I wouldn't give him a second thought. The Internet is loaded with liars, lunatics, perverts, scumbags and so on of all stripes. That's nothing noteworthy. However I do feel the need to protest when one calls himself "rabbi".

I include some publicly available information about this individual so that in case anyone feels inclined to contact him or his employer and express their feelings they may easily do so.

Regarding the Jewish attitude toward heretics, I have explained that here.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2009/06/jewish-heretics.html

Regarding the Jewish attitude toward sodomy, I have explained that here.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2010/04/beheading-orthodox-jewish-punishment.html

Regarding Falick's blog, the truth is that he has some good ideas. Take this for example:

"As it is, the Haredim compose only a small fraction of the national population -- around 10 percent, experts say. But their birthrates are much higher than the general population, and by mid-century, according to some estimates, Haredim could make up between a quarter and 40 percent of Israeli society."

"Everyone already knows that there is a way to turn this around.  Cut the handouts."

"it was Netanyahu, who in 2003 as finance minister in a government with no Haredim, made the last cuts.  And they worked.  The birthrate went down."

http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2012/01/haredi-power-could-one-day-spell-doom.html

This is such an awesome concept - eliminate a bothersome minority by cutting off their social services!

The United States government spent $16.5 billion dollars in 2011 to provide treatment, housing and cash to people who have AIDS or are HIV positive.  

http://www.avert.org/america.htm#contentTable7

(The total spending of the Israeli government by the way is $61 billion,
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html 
of which I am sure a tiny percentage goes to "Haredim".) 

So anyway, how about American homosexual men - let's cut off their handouts and watch their population drop! Fantastic.

I really need to spend more time on his blog. I wonder what other wonderful humanistic ideas Falick has cooked up which just require a little tweaking to perfect them?  

OTD said...

JP, this is really uncalled for. Rabbi Falick has done nothing to deserve this treatment. He is a good man, and I'm sure he would be happy to have a reasonable conversation with you, if you were interested in that. Publishing his personal information, especially details about his personal life and employers, is really irrelevant, unkind, and unfair. Nobody deserves to be treated with such cruelty, particularly when they haven't instigated any sort of fight.

jewish philosopher said...

How sensitive everyone gets when some lunatic is criticized for the poison he spews on the Internet. My heart bleeds.

Plea For Sanity said...

JP, You are one scary motherf$%^!@. Get help before you do something that gets you locked away.

Rivky said...

JP, for someone who claims to be orthodox, this is such a big chilul hashem, not to mention serious loshon hora. I'm ashamed of you. The only lunatic here is you.

Yaron Karl said...

"How sensitive everyone gets when some lunatic is criticized for the poison he spews on the internet"

What an eloquent description of the insanely vicious and unnecessary chilul hashem you posted. You are a sick and twisted individual and should be ashamed of yourself. If you want to really attack lunatics on the internet why don't you start here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
http://www.americannaziparty.com/

If you want to do something that might be considered "good" "helpful" "humanitarian" or just plain old outright not "Friggin sick in the head", then why don't you go attack, slander/defame, and publicize information about people who hate you and want to kill you, rather than someone who has different viewpoints on religion than you.

You claim to be someone who is godfearing, religious, spiritual, holy, but you are just an outright bigot and a bully who decided to act like a kindergartener over a dispute. Worse, because you potentially caused much more damage. How dare you claim to be a religious person?!?!?

jewish philosopher said...

"You are one scary motherf$%^!@."

That's true.

"not to mention serious loshon hora"

That doesn't apply to atheists. See Chofetz Chaim 8:5.

"If you want to really attack lunatics on the internet why don't you start here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
http://www.americannaziparty.com/"

The purpose of this blog is to promote Orthodox Judaism and to critique other ideologies, in particular atheism: promoting truth and real happiness; fighting lies and harmful addictions.

Therefore, I don't really get much into Nazism. I have got a few anti-Muslim terrorist posts.

jewish philosopher said...

It's interesting; if some nut calling himself a rabbi supports Iran, there is an international uproar

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/neturei-karta-delegate-to-iranian-holocaust-conference-i-pray-for-israel-s-destruction-in-peaceful-ways-1.209305

but if some nut calling himself a rabbi supports atheism and homosexuality it's a terrible sin to say anything about it.

Anonymous said...

You're free to say anything you want. Suffice it to say that it is your attitude and the attitude of people like you who justify leaving Orthodox Judaism. If you are an example of how a Jew should act then you are more of an abomination than those you condemn. Interpreting torah and halacha in the way you do makes you more like a cafeteria catholic than a Jew.

jewish philosopher said...

I suppose cutting social benefits to Jews you disagree with, in order to lower their birthrate, as Falick suggests (see my comment above) is the epitome of humanism.

Is this the Society for Humanist Judaism or the Society for Genocidal Judaism which he belongs to?

And I also love Falicks support for Zionism. He'd much rather see Jewish kids in Israel killing Arabs rather than wasting their time studying Talmud.

Anonymous said...

So you don't like his positions or his branch of Judaism. Does that justify your behavior in your post? If you are the epitome of what comes from studying talmud, then it is either a useless exercise or it teaches hate as a Jewish value.

Ksil said...

"wasting their time studying Talmud."

So true!!

This atheist rabbi guy just posted a letter on his blog....utterly destroys you.

Anonymous said...

So when in your letter to your parents, you said the following:
"...it is
considered to be a serious transgression subject to severe punishment and rebuke
for a man to make a statement about someone else if it is, even by implication,
derogatory although it is one hundred percent true and it is said only to his
wife, in the privacy of his home, with the mentioned party 10,000 miles away and
never having any way to hear or be affected by the remark. Among us this is
considered slander and the offender must, 1) ask the injured party for
forgiveness, if necessary on three separate occasions, 2) ask G-d for
forgiveness and 3)promise G-d that he will never do such a thing again, and only
then is his sin forgiven. I invite you to find such respect for ones fellow man
practiced, or even preached, by any other people on earth. "

... But now you are saying that this only applies to people who are religious Jews? Does all of the humanity that you admire so much about Judaism likewise not apply to the non religious?

I've spent enough time in yeshiva to know that god never wants people to be publicly shamed into obedience. You have, I've no doubt, studied Judaism a considerable bit but you don't seem to have learned or understood some of the fundamental points.

John Lucsoft said...

You are a sick person, JP. I hope your kids are taunted or bullied at school. I suppose some of the more sane people in your community speak negatively about you to their children, and children often repeat the things they hear at home. But it really wouldn't be fair to kids to taunt or bully them because their father can't control his hate.

If they are being taunted or bullied, I urge you to get them to a competent therapist.

Anonymous said...

I suppose cutting social benefits to Jews you disagree with, in order to lower their birthrate, as Falick suggests (see my comment above) is the epitome of humanism.

As a matter of fact, yes, it is. Responsible birth control, having only as many children as a family can emotionally and financially support, and endeavoring to not overpopulate the planet are what higher thinking beings do. Dogs, cats, and it seems ultra orthodox Jews, breed.

Anonymous said...

Hey JP, thank you for introducing me to another blog that is a lot more interesting than your's.

Alex said...

Pirke Avos says: "(Ben Azzai) used to say: "Do not regard anyone with contempt, and do not reject anything, for there is no man who does not have his hour, and no thing which does not have its place."

You just wait, JP. Mr. Falick will have his hour against you.

Undercover Kofer said...

"Insult to the Rabbinate".

Do you feel you represent 'the Rabbinate'? If you do, you think they would approve of your behavior and nivul peh?

Obviously, this homosexuality thing is deeply ingrained within you and it really starts to show in your desperate postings about it.

I hope you can once live your life, not as dictated by an imagined tyrant, but as a humanistic fellow being.

But I am afraid that would require a lot of therapy and introspection.

Joe said...

JP I'm on your side on this one, keep it up!.

jewish philosopher said...

"If you are the epitome of what comes from studying talmud, then it is either a useless exercise or it teaches hate as a Jewish value."

Hating evil is a good thing.

O ye that love the LORD, hate evil; Psalm 97:10 

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2697.htm#10

"This atheist rabbi guy just posted a letter on his blog....utterly destroys you."

Actually, he doesn't. I originally contacted Falick 1/11/12 4:30 am by sending him this email to the email address listed on his blog:

I have proven that Judaism is true

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/12/truth-of-judaism.html

and atheism is false

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2009/05/atheism-in-nutshell.html

I wonder if you can refute that.

Jacob

Falick answered 1/11/12 8:12 am:

I think your commenters have done a better job than I ever could. 

Please don't send any more mail to me. If you have something to say you may leave a comment on my blog. 

I asked a simple, honest question and his response was defensive, evasive and rude. He can't engage in any sort of serious, intelligent discussion.

"I've spent enough time in yeshiva to know that god never wants people to be publicly shamed into obedience."

Then you never heard of cherem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herem_(censure)

"I hope your kids are taunted or bullied at school."

That's sweet of you. I feel the humanist Judaism love.

"I suppose cutting social benefits to Jews you disagree with, in order to lower their birthrate, as Falick suggests (see my comment above) is the epitome of humanism."
"As a matter of fact, yes, it is."

By extension, gas chambers would be even more humanistic.

"Hey JP, thank you for introducing me to another blog that is a lot more interesting than your's."

You would surely have soon found it. Flies flock to sewage; it's an instinct.

"You just wait, JP. Mr. Falick will have his hour against you."

I'm prepared to die for my beliefs.  

"I hope you can once live your life, not as dictated by an imagined tyrant, but as a humanistic fellow being."

If humanist means self pitying hate monger and sexual pervert who dumps his wife and kids so he can live with another man, I think I'll pass.

Jeff said...

JP, you're losing it.
What you are doing is bullying

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

and disgracing your religion.

jewish philosopher said...

And how would you characterize Falick's advocacy for cutting social services to orthodox Jews in order to reduce their population? Harmless fun?

http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2012/01/haredi-power-could-one-day-spell-doom.html

Or would "eugenics", "ethnic cleansing" or "genocide" be more appropriate?

Jeff said...

Many countries have spoken about using government policies to modify birthrate:

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/6/57/39970765.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_population_control#Singapore

That's not "ethnic cleansing". Its pursuit of sensible policy, like not encouraging people to be on welfare.

As it is, the Heredim in Israel (as well as Israeli Arabs) have many perverse incentives, to have lots of kids and not to work. This distortions should be corrected. It is immoral and bad for the welfare of the country.

Jeff said...

BTW I am not the Jeff on your post.

jewish philosopher said...

"As it is, the Heredim in Israel (as well as Israeli Arabs) have many perverse incentives, to have lots of kids and not to work. This distortions should be corrected. It is immoral and bad for the welfare of the country."

So I think we should cut off government handouts to homosexuals. They spread disease and are bad for the welfare of the country.

I haven't covered all of Falick's blog yet, however thus far I've found he bashes:

Reform Judaism
http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2011/10/angels-among-us.html

circumcision 
http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2011/10/eliminating-cruelest-cut.html

Islam
http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2011/11/some-thoughts-about-islam-and-israeli.html

Christianity
http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2011/12/romneys-mormonism-is-worse-than-newts.html

and endlessly, obsessively, ultra-orthodox Judaism
http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2012/01/haredi-power-could-one-day-spell-doom.html

As far as I can tell, this phony so called "rabbi" promotes two things:
 
1. The division of Palestine between Jewish atheists and Arabs in a way which makes both parties happy. Israeli Jews who believe in God should be starved out of existence. I don't know what Falick wants to do with Arabs who are unhappy with the "two state solution". Shoot them?

2. Homosexuality.    

Jeff said...

"So I think we should cut off government handouts to homosexuals. "

What government handouts?

Dena said...

As a Jew, I am very embarrassed that you call yourself a member of the tribe. You are a bigoted extremist who is violating the terms of decency. You are also violating the terms of service of your hosting web site.

I have had the privilege of knowing Rabbi Falick personally. I may not always agree with everything he writes, but he has a right to write it. He is a good man and a leader. And I have very much enjoyed his high holiday davening.

jewish philosopher said...

"What government handouts?"

The United States government spent $16.5 billion dollars in 2011 to provide treatment, housing and cash to people who have AIDS or are HIV positive.  

http://www.avert.org/america.htm#contentTable7

"You are also violating the terms of service of your hosting web site."

No more than Falick does.

"And I have very much enjoyed his high holiday davening."

What does he pray to? A dildo?

jewish philosopher said...

Regarding blogger.com content policy, here is the relevant paragraph:

Hate Speech: We want you to use Blogger to express your opinions, even very controversial ones. But, don't cross the line by publishing hate speech. By this, we mean content that promotes hate or violence towards groups based on race, ethnicity, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity. For example, don't write a blog saying that members of Race X are criminals or advocating violence against followers of Religion Y.

http://www.blogger.com/content.g

Of course this is a little subjective, however I don't see how my blog promotes hate any more than this for example.

http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2012/01/inside-primitive-ideology-of-haredi.html

In fact, considering this blog, it would appear that the "hate speech" clause is simply unenforced period.

http://zioncrimefactory.blogspot.com/

about "private information", here's the paragraph:

Personal and confidential information: It's not ok to publish another person's personal and confidential information. For example, don't post someone else's credit card numbers, Social Security numbers, unlisted phone numbers, and driver's license numbers. Also, please keep in mind that in most cases, information that is already available elsewhere on the Internet or in public records is not considered to be private or confidential under our policies.

So I'm certainly OK there.

C. Laundry said...

You do a major disservice for Jews and Judaism with this post. Although you may think you are turning people against atheism, your inept, aggressive, bullying approach is an endorsement for he sanity of atheist in contrast to your lunacy.

jewish philosopher said...

I think if he's so sane he could have succinctly answered my original questions.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2012/01/atheist-rabbi.html?showComment=1326626861232#c8470046437631597272

Joseph said...

You claim that you have never posted information about any other blogger. That is a lie. You posted information about a blogger and her mother previously. Your credibility is refuted by your own blog.

jewish philosopher said...

I never wrote a post about another blog. Is this dyslexia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia

Anonymous said...

Shalom JP,

You and my friend Jeff Falick are both trying to make sense of our human condition, and I wish you both success in that endeavour. May you be a blessing to each other.

Kol tuv,

Yoni

Ironmistress said...

I have often been in conflict with JP, but I have to defend him. We have freedom of speech, and JP is entitled to his.

In my opinion, "Atheist Rabbi" is an oxymoron. There can be (and most certainly are) rabbis who only pay lip service for faith and who are in for just money and position in the pecking order, but an openly Atheistic rabbi ought to be subject to defrocking.

But it works in the other way too. Let's say that the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, "the most hated woman in America" and foundress of American Atheist Association, William J. Murray, is today a Christian minister. Needless to say, his mother wasn't amused.

[He might be of interesting corresponcence company to you.]

Jeff said...

"The United States government spent $16.5 billion dollars in 2011 to provide treatment, housing and cash to people who have AIDS or are HIV positive."

That is assistance to victims of a disease, not money for gays to encourage their lifestyle. That is different than giving money for having more children that you can't afford to have.

"In my opinion, "Atheist Rabbi" is an oxymoron."

"Rabbi" means teacher or master. That's all.

MIghty Garnel Ironheart said...

Well free speech is generally limited by the left to those opinions they agree with.
Nevertheless, I have a question: the gemara on Yoma 86b enjoins religious Jews to make the name of Heaven beloved through their actions. Tell me, Reb Stein, how does this post of yours fulfill that obligation?

jewish philosopher said...

"That is assistance to victims of a disease, not money for gays to encourage their lifestyle."

No, that money encourages irresponsible and reckless lifestyles since gays figure "So what if I contract HIV? The taxpayers will pick up my medical bills." So I agree with Rabbi Jeff: Cut the handouts! And then watch the gays disappear.

"Tell me, Reb Stein, how does this post of yours fulfill that obligation?"

I demonstrates in a beautiful and invigorating way my love for all Jews by warning them about a lunatic crook who is making money by pretending to be a rabbi. 

Jeff said...

Warning who? Pretending to who?
Who cares besides you?

What a breathtaking and sad lack of insight you reveal.

You do honestly think that you're "helping" somebody, don't you?

Get some help, JP.

jewish philosopher said...

All that I can say is this. 

If a mob of Haredim forms outside Falick's Miami apartment, and they begin screaming and spitting like the most primitive ones are accustomed to do, and they start breeding and multiplying like cats and dogs right before his very eyes, I am not responsible. 

Falick has brought this upon himself. 

And may God have mercy on his soul. 

Anonymous said...

From Google (host of Blogspot): Violation of Service..."Someone is posting my private information"..."Complete address". Yes, Mr. Stein, you are in violation of your hosting site's policy. Hopefully they will do something soon. And of course you are also in violation based on their prohibition against "material that promotes hatred toward groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity is not allowed on Blogger."

Anonymous said...

(BS"D)
Rabbi Jeff Falick is Jewish. You are not. When you converted (!), you vowed to follow halakha. Instead, you are NAMING and SHAMING the parents that invested their lives and brought you up BEFORE THE WHOLE WORLD. (Since you may not know this, I'm referring to the 'Aseret haddibberot. You may want to read what the Torah says about those who utterly shame their parents and will not change their ways.)

And now, you are pronouncing a de facto death sentence (may your evil scheme fail) on someone who actually *IS* Jewish and, unlike you, does many good things for his fellow Jews. Get some psychiatric treatment and leave us Jews (!) alone. Then, maybe you could try to convert. Maybe that time, you'll succeed. -E.b.H.

jewish philosopher said...

"Hopefully they will do something soon."

In your dreams. Google is not run by fascists like you.

"Rabbi Jeff Falick is Jewish."

That's a good point. Is he even Jewish according to orthodox Judaism? Who knows?

Anonymous said...

And how would you characterize Falick's advocacy for cutting social services to orthodox Jews in order to reduce their population?

I'd call it birth control. Are you suggesting that birth control is the same as eugenics, ethnic cleansing & genocide? That would put your position even farther right than the Westboro Baptist Church.

jewish philosopher said...

How about cutting social benefits off to blacks and Hispanics? You could argue that these are high crime communities with excessively high birthrates. Rabbi Jeff's Jewish humanism could go in all kinds of directions.

You don't like a minority - Cut the handouts!

Anonymous said...

Jewish Philosopher, I understand your frustration and anger- how can an atheist be able to lead others to form a meaningful relationship with God? It makes no sense and to me is a tragedy. I am no atheist, however, this post constitutes ona'as dvarim, lashon hara, and halbanas panim, which is equated to murder. Thus, I have some serious problems with your approach.

Jeff said...

You know that you are misrepresenting the issue, JP. Every citizen is entitled to social services, including the Heredim. Bibi cut some of the special privileges taylored to the Heredi sector-- ie child payments that dramatically increase (per child) above 4 children, special grants for "avrechim", etc. Believe me, he is doing them a favor, because those communities will be forced to become more self-sufficient, rather than sucking off the government teat. You disagree with that? Ultra-orthodox in the US get no special previleges, and they do fine.

Its all a matter of scoietal priorities.

jewish philosopher said...

"this post constitutes ona'as dvarim, lashon hara, and halbanas panim, which is equated to murder."

None of which applies to heretics, as I explain.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2009/06/jewish-heretics.html

"Believe me, he is doing them a favor, because those communities will be forced to become more self-sufficient"

Let's do AIDS/HIV patients a favor - no more handouts.

Anonymous said...

You assume, based on your twisted preoccupation with gays, that AIDS/HIV patients acquired the disease through homosexual activities. That assumption is invalid. Many of your supposed arguments defy logic because they are emotionally based. One would expect more from a self-promoting member of Mensa.

Anonymous said...

You are nothing more than a cyber bully. If you were to try this crap in person I am sure someone would be the living crap out of your scrawny little tuches. You are the epitome of a sociopath. May you die a long, slow and painful death with no one at your side to care for you.

jewish philosopher said...

"You assume, based on your twisted preoccupation with gays, that AIDS/HIV patients acquired the disease through homosexual activities."

To the best of my knowledge, probably 99.9% of people in the United States who are HIV positive have that status because he has either had consensual unprotected sex with someone he was not married to or he has used an illegal substance. Why exactly should taxpayers support or even encourage such behavior by providing free treatment, housing and cash? I say: Cut the handouts. That's Falick's attitude about Israeli ultra orthodox.

"May you die a long, slow and painful death with no one at your side to care for you."

That's Jewish humanism I assume.

ksil said...

Wy do you get to decide who can call themselves a "rabbi"??


So far i dont see much support for your tactics,,,,i challenge you to find more than 5 (five!!) people that agree with your methods.

If you are right, then that should be a breeze.....so far the good rabbi seems to garner much more support than you....i wonder why? Lol

Joe said...

There is a lot of extremists on the other side, it's good to have some extremists like JP on the good side to balance the equation.

jewish philosopher said...

"Wy do you get to decide who can call themselves a "rabbi"??"

Why does Christopher Hitchens get to decide who can call himself a "reverend"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIviufQ4APo

Falick by the way is a Hitchens fan

http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2011/12/i-miss-christopher-hitchens.html

Just to slightly rephrase Hitchens, but directing my comments at Falick not Falwell,

The empty life of this ugly little charlatan proves only one thing, that you can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and to truth in this country if you will just get yourself called rabbi. 

People like that should be out in the street, shouting and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup. The whole consideration of this -- of this horrible little person is offensive to very, very many of us who have some regard for truth and for morality, and who think that ethics do not require that lies be told to children by evil old men.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/15/acd.01.html

AMEN!

"so far the good rabbi seems to garner much more support than you....i wonder why? Lol"

Why are more porn movies sold than copies of the Talmud. LOL 

Anonymous said...

I agree with what Jacob is writing he's only doing it to quiet the "other rabbi"

Anonymous said...

He's not chas vshalom trying to make a chilul hashem

Mick said...

JP,

I congratulate you.

With one blog post you've managed to win more friends for Rabbi Falick than you will ever know.

Again, congratulations.

A Happy Atheist

Anonymous said...

I feel bad for the children you have that they are taught these terrible things by you. Honestly, I hope one of your kids is gay. Wouldn't that be the kicker? RABBI Falick has a family too and the things you're doing and saying to him are absolutely unconscionable. You should be ASHAMED you are doing no good and causing HARM to another PERSON even if he weren't Jewish, you would be. WHY DO YOU KEEP PUSHING THIS ISSUE? LET IT THE FUCK GO AND GET ON WITH YOUR HOLY AND PIOUS LIFE SO YOU CAN DIE AND GET YOUR SO-CALLED REWARD WITH YOUR SO-CALLED GOD, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

ksil said...

Lol

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a talmud? Porn, i hear....

Challenge still stands. 5 people......go

Anonymous said...

I appreciate your linking me to Rabbi Falick's site JP. I learned a lot about humanism and realized it is way better than ultra-crazy orthodoxy. I'd choose Rabbi Falick as my spiritual mentor over you, any day! Thanks again for linking to his great site.

-OSM

jewish philosopher said...

"With one blog post you've managed to win more friends for Rabbi Falick than you will ever know."

Maybe a few enemies too. ;-)

You know even regular secular American people find the concept of an atheist rabbi to be very bizarre if not just a scam.

"LET IT THE FUCK GO AND GET ON WITH YOUR HOLY AND PIOUS LIFE SO YOU CAN DIE AND GET YOUR SO-CALLED REWARD WITH YOUR SO-CALLED GOD, YOU PIECE OF SHIT."

Do I detect some lack of reverence for My Holiness?

"Why would anyone in their right mind buy a talmud? Porn, i hear...."

That's exactly why you aren't orthodox anymore, as I explain.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/07/jewish-skeptics-and-sex.html

"I'd choose Rabbi Falick as my spiritual mentor over you, any day!"

How can a militant atheist be a spiritual mentor? It's like using a drug dealer as an addiction counselor.

Jeff said...

"How can a militant atheist be a spiritual mentor? "

"spiritual" does not mean god.

jewish philosopher said...

I think it means something supernatural.

Jeff said...

You can define it narrowly that way if you want, but a broader meaning is more accurate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality

Chana said...

Well, all the gay Jews I know have JOBS.

jewish philosopher said...

"You can define it narrowly that way if you want, but a broader meaning is more accurate:"

That article seems to includes ethics as spiritual. Webster doesn't go that far.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spiritual

"Well, all the gay Jews I know have JOBS."

As fake rabbis? 

jewish philosopher said...

FYI, I've got a full time job. I just won't say where. I learned that lesson.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2011/07/counter-atheism-activity.html

Anonymous said...

No, you wont, but you will say where Rabbi Falick works. He has nothing to fear. You do!

jewish philosopher said...

I'm a member of a despised minority. We're called Jews.

natschuster said...

It seems abundantly clear from "Rabbi" Jeff's writings that he his a strict materialist. He even ridicules people who believe in any sort of spiritualism. This man hates religion. He admires people like Dawkins and Harris who hate religious people. You can tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps. When most people hear the word Rabbi, they associate with a religious or spiritual teacher. This person is an anti-religious anti-spiritual teacher. So by calling himself Rabbi, he is perpetrating a fraud.

Douglas E said...

As a goy, I enjoy following The Atheist Rabbi, and will readily admit that some of the conversation is beyond my expertise in Judaism. However, following the link to this site has been illuminating - I believe that I have discovered the Ken Ham of Judaism!! It's nice to know that like Ken for the Gentiles, there is another 'uncompromised' believer who understands the G_d of the Hebrew bible.

Anonymous said...

to natschuster: rabbi jeff does not HATE religion!! he is jewish for heavens sake and as this piece of shit jewish "philosopher" points out, he works at a fucking JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER!!! ARE YOU SMOKING SOME KIND OF CRACK?! HE'S NOT PERPETRATING FRAUD BY CALLING HIMSELF RABBI BECAUSE I HAVE READ HIS BLOG AND HE WAS ORDAINED AS ONE. YOU PEOPLE ARE SHITTY FUCKING ASSHOLES. DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND DON'T PROCREATE ANY MORE AND CRAWL IN A HOLE AND DIE

Alex said...

OK, JP, so it appears that many of the posters here think you're radical. No surprise there. But it might help us frame our opinions better if you could name someone or someones in Orthodoxy, on the right, who you think is radical. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Amram says
I think the replies from supposedly orthodox people leaves much to be desired. You are denigrating (quite rightly) a person who seems to keep nothing of the Torah. Call himself a rabbi 'zokon mamre' more like. They also called themselves rabbis and other titles and all of them say you are wrong. This is really the fault of orthodoxy today. Not knowing right from wrong!

jewish philosopher said...

"HE'S NOT PERPETRATING FRAUD BY CALLING HIMSELF RABBI BECAUSE I HAVE READ HIS BLOG AND HE WAS ORDAINED AS ONE."

I would just apply to Falick, a Christopher Hitchens fan, the words Hitchens applied to Jerry Falwell:

The empty life of this ugly little charlatan proves only one thing, that you can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and to truth in this country if you will just get yourself called rabbi. 

People like that should be out in the street, shouting and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup. The whole consideration of this -- of this horrible little person is offensive to very, very many of us who have some regard for truth and for morality, and who think that ethics do not require that lies be told to children by evil old men.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/15/acd.01.html

"But it might help us frame our opinions better if you could name someone or someones in Orthodoxy, on the right, who you think is radical."

I just recently wrote this post:

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2012/01/fanatic-fringe.html

natschuster said...

Anonymous at 6:44:


If he isn't practicng, why does he call himself a Rabbi? Why does he discuss religion? HE si gving an impression to people. He says that religious people are stupid. He admires Dawkins and Harris. Tehy both hate religion and religiosu people. People on this thread say they consider him a spiritual adviser, yet he thinks spirituality is stupid. So he is giving an impression. Yuo obviously hate religious people. You want them to become extinct. So does "Rabbi" Jeff. So maybe he is influencing you. You are proving my point.

Ari said...

You behave like a child who acts emotionally instead of rationally. The unlearned child does not know better and can be forgiven without his asking. You, a self-promoting man-child member of Mensa know better and yet you act no differently than the un-learned child. One day you may genuinely seek forgiveness and I wonder how many will find in themselves the ability to forgive you...

Alex said...

I meant someone who blogs or writes. Thanks.

jewish philosopher said...

"You behave like a child who acts emotionally instead of rationally."

The Atheist Phony Rabbi advocates cutting social services to a minority he doesn't agree with

http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2012/01/haredi-power-could-one-day-spell-doom.html

he admires Christopher Hitchens 

http://www.theatheistrabbi.com/2011/12/i-miss-christopher-hitchens.html

who ranted and raved like a lunatic against anyone who believed in God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIviufQ4APo

he, who calls himself a rabbi to make a few extra bucks, is a wonderful man.

I find that atheists are like bugs. You just have to lift up a rock and expose them and watch them squirming and scuttling away.

"I meant someone who blogs or writes."

No, I'm the extreme.

jewish philosopher said...

Many homosexual men are incontinent.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Fecal_incontinence

Would Falick consider renaming his blog The Diaper Wearing Rabbi?

Ari said...

Your responses to my comments are Exhibit A and Exhibit B to support your behaving like a child.

I do find it intriguing that you spend quite bit of time researching homosexuality. Your clear preoccupation with homosexuality suggests you may in fact be closeted. It's ok if you're gay Jacob. G-d still has a place in his heart for you.

Nonetheless, arguing with a child is pointless an I will no longer entertain your foolish responses.

jewish philosopher said...

"Your clear preoccupation with homosexuality suggests you may in fact be closeted."

Well, I refuse to answer that. However I DO know that the people who work for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children are in fact pedophiles. Their clear preoccupation with pedophilia proves it.

http://www.missingkids.com

"Nonetheless, arguing with a child is pointless an I will no longer entertain your foolish responses."

The appeal to ridicule. Typical of atheists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule

Ari said...

You have appealed to my better judgment and I have come back to answer another of your factually incorrect assumptions.

You foolishly assume that I am an atheist. Rabbi Falick I have known each other for close to 20 years now (I also know his ex-wife and children) and in that time he has known me to disagree with his viewpoint with respect to atheism/humanism. Despite our differing viewpoints on Judaism we manage to respect one another -- something you seem incapable of. Thus your attempt to ascribe the alleged appeal to ridicule as being typical of atheists does not apply to me.

I am sure you will attempt to mischaracterize my relationship with Rabbi Falick but I could care less since, unlike you, I am secure in with my family and children and do not feel the least bit threatened by your emotionally charged personal attacks.

jewish philosopher said...

Based on the amazing volume of hysterical comments, it sounds like Falick is really getting fired. Poor thing. How will he afford male prostitutes.

Anonymous said...

Who is your posek Mr. Stein? What shul do you daven at? I think they should be made fully aware of your personal attacks. I'm sure you will refuse to share that information though you had no problem sharing anything and everything you could about Rabbi Falick.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Stein,

I hope you understand that your statements on this blog and your responses to various commenters may give rise to a cause of action for slander under the laws of both Florida and New York.

If I were Mr. Falick I would be seriously considering a defamation suit against you. Mr. Falick does not meet the public figure exception and your blog and responses clearly suggest you have a complete and utter disregard of your responsibility to ensure that your blog posts and responses are truthful to the best of your knowledge.

Remember, freedom of speech is not absolute when it comes to civil tort matters. There are boundaries and it appears you may have crossed them.

Anonymous said...

Since you are hesitant to publish the very same information about yourself that you published about Rabbi Falick I think the time has come to build a site exposing the hateful person that is Jacob Stein.

I believe a good place to start will be to contact the Rabbis and board members of all of the shuls within walking distance of your home on 15 Sherri Lane, Spring Valley (Wesley Hills). Those shuls include KNH, KBY, YOT, COY, and CAY.

We shall see how much you really enjoy the attention. You may very well become to your congregation what Mordecai Tendler was to KNH. Have a nice day.

jewish philosopher said...

"Who is your posek Mr. Stein? What shul do you daven at?"

You tell me yours first.

"If I were Mr. Falick I would be seriously considering a defamation suit against you."

Bring it on. I will see The Diaper Wearing Rabbi in court.

"I think the time has come to build a site exposing the hateful person that is Jacob Stein."

That's already been done at least twice, but people get bored after a little while.

"You may very well become to your congregation what Mordecai Tendler was to KNH."

I don't have his success with the ladies; I'm too shy.

Anonymous said...

"Who is your posek Mr. Stein? What shul do you daven at?""

JP: You tell me yours first.

Rabbi Falick

Your turn.

jewish philosopher said...

He says he doesn't lead a congregation. Someone is lying here!

Anonymous said...

He does not have to lead a congregation for one to consider him their posek. And you're right in that he does not lead a congregation.

jewish philosopher said...

Wow, he's a posek too!! What exactly does he prohibit according to his Talmudic interpretation?

ksil said...

c'mon folks, either you do it JP's way or your wrong! it doesnt matter if 90% of the jewish community doesnt hold of it, or 95% of the global population does....HE IS RIGHT.

so, 100 comments....how much support you get for your attacks?

jewish philosopher said...

"c'mon folks, either you do it JP's way or your wrong!"

You have to do it God's way. Which I've discovered.

ksil said...

"Which I've discovered."

good for you, the rest of us look at "what you have discovered" and recognize it .... as man-made BS.

so have fun with your "gods way" but no need to berate others about their choices.

your poor kids....

anyone supporting you yet? lol

Anonymous said...

Why have you not answered with the name of your posek?

Anonymous said...

Much of your writings in this thread, and more than likely others, clearly falls within hotzaat shem ra. I'm sure you will attempt to allege that Mr. Falick's "sins" allow you to disregard hotzaat shem ra (or some similar excuse that allows you to disregard hotzaat shem ra) and in so doing please be sure you have run this matter by your posek whom I'd like to discuss it with as well.

Ari said...

Can you explain to us how your comments against Rabbi Falick do not go against G-d's words in Leviticus 25:17 ("You shall not wrong one another"). After all, you do claim to be following G-d's guidance. You may want to consult Bava Metzia 58b before you respond.

jewish philosopher said...

Every time Falick coughs or sneezes he poops in his adult diaper. That's what happens to gay men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectal_prolapse#Causes 

Anonymous said...

Perhaps your low sperm count was a sign from God that you chose to ignore...and perhaps Samson's cerebral palsy and the related quadriplegia are the result of your ignoring God.

You are an embarrassment to Jews and an an embarrassment to humankind. I feel sorry for your children and wife. They are living in a virtual prison full of hate and ignorance.

I cannot emphasize enough how much I sincerely believe you need psychiatric help. Please get help.

jewish philosopher said...

My suffering is caused by one simple thing - I am not doing enough to stop the perverts. But now I'm trying harder!

Alex said...

JP, if you were to discover that your Lithuanian role models had certain hashgafas that differed from yours, would you change your hashgafas about those things?

You can answer that before or after you listen to the following shiur: http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/767882/Rabbi_Reuven_Brand/Extremism_in_Jewish_Tradition

jewish philosopher said...

"JP, if you were to discover that your Lithuanian role models had certain hashgafas that differed from yours, would you change your hashgafas about those things?"

No.

Anonymous said...

Please provide the authority you rely upon for being permitted to speak lashon hara about a non-Jew (or even an atheist Jew for that matter) when doing so results in chilul Hashem?

I am constantly reminded about us being strangers ourselves and to be kind to strangers (not just the ger).

jewish philosopher said...

I would just apply to Falick, a Christopher Hitchens fan, the words Hitchens applied to Jerry Falwell:

The empty life of this ugly little charlatan proves only one thing, that you can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and to truth in this country if you will just get yourself called rabbi. 

People like that should be out in the street, shouting and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup. The whole consideration of this -- of this horrible little person is offensive to very, very many of us who have some regard for truth and for morality, and who think that ethics do not require that lies be told to children by evil old men.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/15/acd.01.html

Anonymous said...

Red Herring Alert: "I would just apply to Falick, a Christopher Hitchens fan, the words Hitchens applied to Jerry Falwel...:

How does this in any way address the question that was asked of you to provide the authority upon which you rely to permit you to speak (type) lashon hara about a non-Jew (or even an atheist Jew for that matter) when doing so results in chilul Hashem?

jewish philosopher said...

Falick himself apparently condones this type of criticism. I'm sure he can't object to it being applied to him.

Nate said...

i APPLAUD this blog as per usual. It is NOT a chillul Hashem. On the contrary, it is a huge KIDDUSH Hashem, to weed out the perverts and pretenders. I am happy you published his personal info. I can only hope that someone has the guts to do to him what he rightly deserves. Perverts are to be stoned to death, as the Torah commands. Anyone calling themselves "Rabbi" who is not Orthodox is a perversion as well. Continue your righteous work in good health Reb Jacob!

Anonymous said...

Is that Nate Itcowitz?

Here is Jacob Stein's address:

15 Sherri Lane
Spring Valley, NY 10977

See:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/15-Sherri-Ln-Spring-Valley-NY-10977/53423180_zpid/

jewish philosopher said...

My address and a photo of my house is already linked to my blog and always was.

http://jacobstein-mystory.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

But not your employer. And yet you had no problem putting Rabbi Falick's employer's name, address and phone number on your blog.

jewish philosopher said...

I'm a member of Seal Team 6.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-05-02/news/29957622_1_military-team-seal-team-seal-team

If you tell anyone, I'll have to kill you.

Anonymous said...

You're still just a fucking pussy hiding behind a keyboard. You instigate shit spreading hate and one da that hate will come full circle to your day. One can only hope the type of hate and action you wish upon others does not turn about and come upon you and your family. You are not following God, you are using God to justify your hate. You are a sad little man and nothing more.

jewish philosopher said...

Thank you for your support, however I'm actually using a touch screen, not a keyboard.

Anonymous said...

Just another internet pussy behind a touch screen. Either way you're still just a fucking pussy.

jewish philosopher said...

You know considering the similar style and syntax, I bet all these 100 comments supporting the Atheist Rabbi were written by the Atheist Rabbi.

truth seeker said...

JP,
Many of my comments you did not post and I don't even know of the atheist Rabbi until you directed me to him. Now I have sefikos of emunah thanks to you.

jewish philosopher said...

In many comments I smell a Miami adult diaper. But I could be wrong.

Anonymous said...

Way to go "rabbi" . Talk yourself blue in the face , debunking atheism is laughable .The universe/cosmos is 99.9999999% atheist since it's inception(-s?)
Peace bra', save face and become atheist allready .

jewish philosopher said...

I asked Falick to debunk Judaism. He can't.

Anonymous said...

To ask someone to debunk religion which is based first and formost on faith is laughable in and of itself.

jewish philosopher said...

"To ask someone to debunk religion which is based first and formost on faith is laughable in and of itself."

That's why debunking evolution is so unnecessary.

Anonymous said...

And yet you spend much of your time attempting to debunk others whose views you disagree with. The reality is that no one knows the truth as even in death there is no guarantee that the truth shall be known. Once simply cannot prove or disprove. Your entire blog is an exercise in futility as you attempt to justify your meager existence. Of that much one can be certain.

jewish philosopher said...

The truth is blindingly clear.

On the Jewish side: the Watchmaker Analogy and the Kuzari Principle

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/12/truth-of-judaism.html

On the atheist side: evolution and the documentary hypothesis

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/03/evolution-science-hijacked-by-atheism.html

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/12/documentary-hypothesis-critique.html

According to my very extensive and painstaking research there is not a shadow of a doubt: Jews are right and are going to heaven, atheists are wrong and are going to hell. Case closed.

joejohnson said...

The chofetz chaim once met a Russian jew who was enrolled in the army when he was a young boy, and he didn’t keep the mitzvahs anymore. The chofotz chaim watched him entering a restaurant, take some bread and chicken, and gobbles down the food without a brocho.
What will the chofotz chaim, the mochich of klal yisrael do in such a case? Prove the torah’s divinity by quoting the kuzaris argument? What about the watchmaker argument? No.
The chofotz chaim puts his hand on his shoulder and says with a soft voice, “my child, you must be in such pain, you lost your youthful for the sake of the tzar’s power, you didn’t have a chance to daven, put on tefilin, you didn’t even have enough food to eat. Oh, you suffered so much in your short life.”
And the soldier put down the bread and started crying on his shoulders.
I don’t know the end of the story, but I’m sure it has a happy ending, you are also sure.
And take in mind that this is the same chofotz chaim who clearly states that when it comes to one who doesn’t obey the mitzvah’s, you are not mtzuvah on loshon hora and halbunas ponim. And to be clear, the restaurant owner told the chofotz chaim first that he should not comment on brochos because he doesn’t care about that.
Do you think the chofotz chaim would feel comfortable sitting in your chair and writing your blog and answering the same answers to the commenters? I doubt.
And finally there is a gemara in yevamot 65 כשם שמצוה לומר דבר שנשמע כך מצוה שלא לומר דבר שאינו נשמע, רבי אבא אמר חובה rough transation - if you feel that the listener is no longer interested to hear your rebuke, you have a mitzvah, or an obligation - a chiyuv, to cease from rebuking and arguing.
Judging from the majority of the commenters/readers here, do you feel they are interested in understanding your logic? Do you think that if you will say it with a sharper tone it might set in them? I hope you don’t. And in that case, you should either close this blog, or at least stop to comment, because the commenters are surely atheists who are all sex addics and are not interested in the truth.
And you? You can go home, take care of your kids, drink a coffee, take a nap. I am sure you deserve it. And it’s not only for your own sake; it’s a mitzvah, a chova, a b’feirusha mitzvah according to the gemara in yevomat.
Now here is a trick, I have put one hole in the logic of this argument, It’s not easy to find but once you find it, you will be able to refute me, and debunk my entire theory, I’m sure you will find that hole, and I am waiting eagerly for the rebuttal, please don’t let me wait!

Anonymous said...

joejohnson has left a new comment on your post "The Atheist "Rabbi"":

Dear Mr. stein
I have been reading your blog every now and then, but I never thought to comment, not because I never had anything to say, but because I didn’t feel like doing it. However, now I feel that it‘s important to comment, if not for you, then for those who are searching for the truth and read your blog.
You seem to be a smart, intelligent, cognitive thinker, and it’s very understandable that you want to share your knowledge with other people, especially given the sacrifices that you offered for the sake of the beliefs you found to be true. And it must be very frustrating when people don’t want to accept your clear cut opinion, based on rock solid evidence, isn’t it?
But unfortunately, it seems to me, and please correct me if I’m wrong, that no matter how rational your arguments, it always backfires. Your opinion never seems to resonate with your readers. Did you ever give a thought to that? I’m sure you did. And your conclusion must have been that these people are only interested in sex, not in the truth, and therefore they are blind to see your hard core proof.
But that doesn’t seem to be a good way out, because look at the other blogs like unpious, where religious people occasionally comment, and most of the time they get answered with respect, though they still disagree. Why is it only your writing that causes so much outrage?
Maybe it’s because you don’t know how to present the true values of a torah life style? Perhaps you don’t know how to disseminate the torah’s beliefs system? If this is true, that’s not a problem, most people are not experienced in conveying their opinions to other people in a way that might persuade them and at the same time won’t hurt their feelings, it’s a skill which most people aren’t blessed with.
Let’s try to imagin how our gdolim, who possessed this skill in abundance, would act in your case. Could you picture rav moshe Feinstein saying “Every time Falick coughs or sneezes he poops in his adult diaper. That's what happens to gay men.”? Or rav Yaakov kamenetzky saying ”Bring it on. I will see The Diaper Wearing Rabbi in court”? What about rav pam?
But you don’t have to go so far. Just open a gemara (sukka 32) the gemara proves that you can’t take a lulav which has thorns, because it’s not d’rochahu darkai noam, it’s not a sweet way of doing a mitzvah. God created us, right? He owns us, right? He has the power to give an injunction that we must cut our hands, now! But no, it’s impossible that he should impose such a mitzvah, and therefore, a lulav that has thorns cannot be in any chance the mitzvah of n’tilas lulav. How wonderful.
You are trying to bring people closer to hashem, you are doing a mitzvah, do you feel your actions present the torah value of d’rochahu darkai noam? The gemara says, talmidai chachamim marbim sholom, you are learning a lot. Do you feel you promote sholom, lovingness, sweetness? When a person finishes reading your blog, does he say, “wow, how wonderful and sweet are the torah and mitzvahs, that’s really d’rochahu darkai noam”, or the opposite?

jewish philosopher said...

I don't think that you are considering carefully the heinousness of the crime being committed by authors, including Internet bloggers, who are ridiculing the Torah and arguing against it's validity.

We know that:

Causing another to sin is much worse than killing him. That is because when a person is killed he only loses this world while someone who is caused to sin loses this world and the next world. Sifre Devarim 252:120a

Let's say you would theoretically be visited by someone like Mohammed Merah.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Merah#Mohammed_Merah

He would stop by your house for a cup of coffee while still covered with blood after having casually shot in the head three small children. Would you feel brotherly love for him and attempt to comfort him and give him emotional encouragement, while validating his struggles and confusion? Now remember, these bloggers are worse than Merah; he's a good guy in comparison to them. His victims merely lost this world, which is trivial compared to the next world.

I don't recall any stories of orthodox rabbis showing much sympathy for Jews who became Christian missionaries, for Reform rabbis or for anti-orthodox writers and leaders.   

I explain here by the way my motives for blogging

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2011/01/after-five-years-why-do-i-blog.html

http://www.torahphilosophy.com/2011/07/counter-atheism-activity.html

Anonymous said...

JP, I hold by you. I admire you for your ability to take a stand against all of the antitorah liberalism that society has deteriorated to. This "rabbi" is outright encouraging the inevitable destruction of klal yisroel. He wants to take out H' and wants total assimilation. If that's not Hitler Y'S, than what is? I'd more liken him to the Greeks of the Chanukah story. All these people who are telling you that it's a chilul H' to stand up for the Torah and be sucked into the scoffers of society, are missing the boat. The guy is caising H' a lot of pain and we have to uproot this evil. And by no means are you speaking lashon hora, as it's totally l'toeles. We can't be pushed around rashaim like him.