Sunday, October 24, 2010

Changing Nature


[are the rules a little shaky?]

There are many cases where the Talmud prescribes a medical treatment however we see today that this treatment is no longer effective. One explanation for this is that "nature has changed" (Tosafos s.v.kavra to Moed Katan 11a for example).

Atheists have long ridiculed such statements because laws of nature were assumed to be universal and invariable facts of the physical world.

Interestingly, scientists are now discovering that certain supposed "constants" of nature may vary from one time and place to another.

Certainly, from a theistic view this is hardly surprising. The laws of nature are merely whatever is most frequently the will of God, however that need not be the same every place and all the time.

35 comments:

Baal Habos said...

Changing constants of nature seems to work against you. It undermines the way theists attempt to use the anthropic principle. From the article you quoted.

"A minor variation of the fundamental constants forbids life to appear we just could not exist."For Flambaum and others, it seemed like too much of a coincidence that the universe's constants which includes the alpha constant and others like the value of the strength of gravity, or the strength of the strong interaction that binds atomic nuclei together should be perfect for building stars and planets and life.
"Now we have an explanation," Flambaum said."If fundamental constants vary in space, we just appear in the area of the universe where constants are good for us."

jewish philosopher said...

I look more at the watchmaker analogy as the proof of God.

Anonymous said...

And when an adherent of another religion also claims that nature has changed and their currently unscientific claims were true...?

Anonymous said...

You don't really understand anything you're posting about, do you?

jewish philosopher said...

I actually understand with a very great clarity.

Garnel Ironheart said...

Update our thinking. The watchmaker analogy has long been discredited. It's now better to discuss it in terms of self-learning software.

At any rate, your explanation of why we don't use Chazal's cures is far more complex.
1) We don't know the identity of many of their plants and chemicals so how can we reproduce their methods?
2) Nature has changed. We live in synthetic, sterile environments consuming processed foods and breathing polluted air. Anyone will tell you are bodies are very different from those of people 2000 years ago.
3) The Talmud recommends cures. It contains no record of success vs failure rates.

jewish philosopher said...

"The watchmaker analogy has long been discredited."

Were is the watch with no maker?

Anonymous said...

What exactlyis the problem with organisms changing. This is evolution 101. And it is consistant with the idea that humans have been deteriorating since creation.

Garnel Ironheart said...

The watch was made by an automated process in a factory in China.

> Interestingly, scientists are now discovering that certain supposed "constants" of nature may vary from one time and place to another.

Another statement that needs work. Water boils at lower temperatures at high altitudes. However, that does mean that the principle that water boils at 100 deg Celsius changes. It means that the constant is based on other factors which have changed, hence the constant changed. The universe is so fantastically complex that there are very few absolute constants since most things rely on other factors that could themselves change.

jewish philosopher said...

I think that people work in those factories and people built them. You need watchmakers to make watches. You need God to make life.

My point in this post is that nature may be more flexible than we previously thought. Therefore Talmudic remedies may have worked then, not now. Perhaps at that time the earth was passing through a different segment of the universe.

Anonymous said...

Hey, what happened to your recent posts regarding your expulsion from nursing school and your hatred of homosexuals? Did god visit you while you were in a hallucogenic trance and tell you what an asshole you are? Is that why you deleted those hateful rants?
Or maybe god is the sadist that he is suspected of being and your weak mind is just the object of his malice.

jewish philosopher said...

Those posts were off the topic of this blog and have been deleted since they are no longer relevant.

My beautiful articles about homosexuality continue to shine in all their pristine glory.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2010/04/beheading-orthodox-jewish-punishment.html

Rambam said...

Why are they no longer relevant? You aren't keeping us updated?

Did any lawyer want to take your case on contingency?

jewish philosopher said...

I'll tell you the story honestly. I am without a doubt a fascinating person and amazing things often happen to me. However the topic of this blog is promoting orthodox judaism and critiquing other ideologies particularly atheism. It's not my diary. The posts about BOCES were put up simply to inform ex-classmates of what happened and to ask for help. That purpose has now been served, I am moving on, meeting with attorneys, applying to other schools, etc.

As far as my enemies are concerned, here's a little bit of fatherly advice: take your rainbow flags and go hang yourselves. You're welcome.

Anonymous said...

"As far as my enemies are concerned, here's a little bit of fatherly advice: take your rainbow flags and go hang yourselves. You're welcome."

Yeah, all those enemies.
LOL, you're the embodiment of a paranoid delusional.
But just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that god does not hate you.
Why would he do this to you ?

jewish philosopher said...

What are you talking about? I'm living the dream. I've got a million dollar settlement check in the mail and I'm enrolling in a real college where perverts are not encouraged.

By the way, if you don't have the flag, use a belt. That's also fine.

Anonymous said...

"I've got a million dollar settlement check in the mail and I'm enrolling in a real college where perverts are not encouraged."


Do you have the guts to tell us where you are enrolling? Or is that as delusional as the check in the mail?

jewish philosopher said...

Sure, once you have the guts to tell me who you are.

Anonymous said...

I won't tell you who I am, because you're crazy and might try to kill me.
But I promise I won't even come near you. I just want to get you expelled from the nursing school that freshly accepted you. I'm sure they'd be very concerned with enrolling a psychopath who would likely murder a homosexual who was under his care.
Please do tell us because, I'd be doing you a favor. I'm sure that you would agree that I'm just god's instrument and once you're again expelled, you'll have the good fortune to file TWO lawsuits.

jewish philosopher said...

That's certainly fair. I'll tell you about myself so that you can ruin my life while you won't tell me about yourself because I might ruin your life.

Why do I keep feeling that 90% of internet users have an IQ lower than a chipmunk?

And by the way, speaking of murder, I wonder what a homosexual nurse would do with a Mormon or Catholic patient. I see they have no problem with slandering classmates whom they disagree with.

Anonymous said...

Why would a homosexual nurse have a problem caring for a Mormon or Catholic patient? Nurses are to provide equal and competent care to any and all patients.

jewish philosopher said...

"Clearly you do not deserve to be breathing the same air homosexuals do"

Written to me by Gay Rights Supporting, Rainbow Wearing, Homosexual LOVING Classmate,
Meghan E Coughlan

Someone like this surely could not be trusted caring for any traditional monotheist. We all consider sodomy to be a grave sin.

Anonymous said...

jewish philosopher said...
"Clearly you do not deserve to be breathing the same air homosexuals do"

Not 99.999999999999% of all straight people, just the few like you, who exhibit a sociopathic unstable personality.

jewish philosopher said...

And lunatics like Coughlin are going to work in a hospital near you and make that judgement, just like she apparently passed judgement on me and slandered me in nursing school. Wonderful.

I, on the other hand, simply have my blog, peacefully and legally express my opinions and that's all.

Anonymous said...

Does a Nazi hate site legally and peacefully express its opinion? And if, say, the author's employer found out about it, could he fire him?

jewish philosopher said...

Glad you asked. There is a Nazi party operating openly and legally in the United States .

www.americannaziparty.com

New York State law would prohibit an employer from discriminating against a Nazi party member.

http://law.onecle.com/new-york/labor/LAB0201-D_201-D.html

But if you want to look for anti-Semites, you can easily find millions in the US, for example some right wing Catholics

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/winter/the-new-crusaders

And Muslims

http://www.adl.org/main_Terrorism/muslim_extremists_jews.htm

So would you advise schools and businesses to expel not only me, but also Catholics because the don't like Jews or gays, gays because they don't like Mormons or evangelicals, evangelicals because they don't like gays, Mormons or Catholics, Nazis because they don't like anyone, etc etc

jewish philosopher said...

The first amendment may be enlightening here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Shalmo said...

I hope you stick around for many years, if not the majority of your life on the blogosphere JP

In fact the more orthodox jews see this blog, the more any jew considering becoming a baalei teshuva sees this blog, the better it will be

In fact we should get more orthodox jews to make blogs like this and advertise them to the world

Anonymous said...

ATTN ALL NURSING STUDENTS AND/OR Annonymous Bloggers-

Please stop drawing attention to this blog. All this guy is looking for IS attention and we are all feeding into it for him, the best thing we can do for any of ourselves is to ignore this and let this whole affair die. This guy is angry and is looking for someone to blame and all we are doing by looking at his blog, commenting on his blog and talking about his blog is giving him exactly what he wants. This whole thing has been very distracting and bothersome and we all know none of what he says holds any water, lets just try to let this whole fiasco die. and move on with our lives.

jewish philosopher said...

ATTN ALL NURSING STUDENTS AND/OR Annonymous Bloggers-

If you allow the BOCES administration to boot people out for any reason or no reason, guess what boys and girls - you'll be next.

Let's say you break up with a girl in class. Or you refuse to date a guy in class. Or you are getting much better marks than someone else is.

Next day, someone goes running over to building 4 with all kinds of stories, that you're cheating, stealing, raping, you've got an assault rifle in your locker.

Before you even know what's happening, you'll be getting a nice little letter from Dr Marisco.

jewish philosopher said...

For those who wish to continue the debate, I have created a new blog.

http://bocesjustice.blogspot.com/

It has one post and I don't intend to expand upon it.

Anonymous said...

Why is you're wife still living with you? Is she as batty as you?
And your unfortunate children.
A real rachmunis.

jewish philosopher said...

My guess is you'll never find a woman who wants to live with you, so don't be so judgemental.

Anonymous said...

Let's change the subject! What are you going to be for Halloween? I've heard on good authority that you are going as Xena, the Warrior Princess, which is a departure from your usual tradition of dressing in Nazi uniform on October 31.

jewish philosopher said...

In my faith, we celebrate Purim not Haloween, believing that to give is more blessed than to receive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim#Giving_of_food_gifts_and_charity

I just wear my normal assault rifle which is visible only to lesbians.