Wednesday, June 16, 2010

The Portrait of a Gay Man?


I recently read a couple of drug addiction memoirs, The Portrait of an Addict as a Young Man by Bill Clegg and Pill Head by Joshua Lyon. Clegg was using crack cocaine and Lyon used prescription pain medication. I'm not clear if either of them are now clean and sober.

What struck me was that both authors are gay men.

I've read another book recently, Overcoming Crystal Meth Addiction by Steven J. Lee. The author, a New York City psychiatrist specializing in addiction, writes extensively about the meth problem in the gay community in New York.

It would appear as if drug and alcohol abuse are a common part of the gay lifestyle. (Is that why it's called "gay"?)

I wonder if gay men deeply psychologically suffer because of their abnormal behavior and this leads to self medication with drugs and alcohol.

This once again demonstrates the eternal wisdom of the Torah in prohibiting this degenerate lifestyle.

Interestingly, it also appears that a disproportionate number of gay men are atheists.

American society seems to be splitting into two broad segments today: promiscuity (straight or gay), substance abuse and atheism on one side; chastity, sobriety and monotheism on the other. Hedonism vs Puritanism. The first group only began emerging about 1960 and today has basically taken over. It is causing the destruction of the United States as a powerful and wealthy nation.

61 comments:

SJ said...

People gravitate to people who are having fun.


Wouldn't it be better JP, for you to make a couple of posts on how much fun you have being an Orthodox Jew? Or on otherwise what Orthodox Judaism has to offer you in general?


Honestly all that you accomplish by bashing people is to scare them away.


I myself am curious to know what Orthodox Judaism offers you in terms of Olam Hazeh that makes you such a fervent follower. A couple of blog posts on that would be appreciated.

jewish philosopher said...

Well, take this post for example.

Being a Jew means you will not be a homosexual, alcoholic or drug addict.

SJ said...

Ok. Let's try this. Make a blog post, tell me all about the first Orthodox Jewish ritual you did, how and why you enjoyed it, and write all about the ritual.

I'm not trying to be patronizing like giving you an assignment or anything like that. I'm just trying to understand you.

jewish philosopher said...

This is something which is very difficult to generalize about. I think we can see from the broad range of past times which people indulge in, from playing the violin to playing football, from injecting heroin to planting roses, that different people enjoy vastly different things. Therefore I can write posts about how much I enjoy this or that aspect of Judaism and people will, perhaps honestly, comment, that they are bored or revolted by the very same things.

I think that every believing Jew has the satisfaction of knowing that he is living an honest, peaceful, sober life and that after death he will be rewarded.

SJ said...

OMG just see if you can make your blog into kinda like a diary of fun things you do jewishly and in terms of hobbies so that we can understand you better.

Gay bashing does not help people understand JP, the individual. Telling something about yourself, does help us understand you.

jewish philosopher said...

This blog is purposely not about me. The purpose of this blog is to promote Orthodox Judaism and to critique other ideologies, in particular atheism: promoting truth and real happiness; fighting lies and harmful addictions.

NoLiveGod said...

"Gay bashing does not help people understand JP, the individual."

Yes, it does help people understand JP the individual. It's why he lost his job: because he's an asshole who steals company time and equipment to antagonize people.

The problem with the kind of Judaism that JP practices is that it is honestly, soberly, peacefully ugly. That it's not true (i.e., no God and no divine Torah) is incidental.

jewish philosopher said...

"It's why he lost his job"

Have you got a job? Or still with mom?

"That it's not true (i.e., no God and no divine Torah) is incidental."

Prove that the Biblical God does not exist or the evolution created us.

NoLiveGod said...

"Prove that the Biblical God does not exist or the evolution created us."

OK. Let's you and me both pray earnestly for something specific to happen by tomorrow Noon. If it doesn't happen, you admit that the Biblical God does not exist.

On evolution, by which I think you mean common descent, I offer this:

(1) Homo rudolfensis

(2) Homo ergaster (early Homo erectus)

(3) Homo heidelbergensis

(4) Homo erectus

(5) Homo neanderthalensis

(6) Homo floresiensis

(7) Ardipithecus kadabba

(8) Homo antecessor

The age and location of hominin fossils and the data from gene sampling greatly favor an evolutionary model (though not necessarily "neo-darwinism"). I fail to see any compelling argument for special creation. So, this may not prove evolution for you, but a sober, honest, and neutral evaluation must admit that an evolutionary model is far more likely and plausible than special creation. The Bible never dreamed of length and variety of human history and pre-history.

Given the evidence I have listed, please PROVE special creation.

jewish philosopher said...

OK. Let's you and me both email Barak Obama earnestly for something specific to happen by tomorrow Noon. If it doesn't happen, you admit that Barak Obama does not exist.

On evolution, by which I think you mean common descent, I offer this:

1) ENIAC
2) UNIVACS
3) IBM 360
4) Digital Equipment Corporation’s PDP-8
5) Apple II
6) IBM PC

"The Bible never dreamed of length and variety of human history and pre-history."

The Bible discusses nothing before Adam because it's irrelevant to us. However Midrash Rabbah Breishis 3:7 states that many other worlds were created and destroyed previously to this one.

"please PROVE special creation."

No problem. A machine cannot come into existence unless an intelligent being creates it. Therefore an eternal, supernatural intelligent designer must have created life.

Anonymous said...

I understand hat the status of ardipithecus as a human ancestor is controversial. And some people consider neanderthal a subspecies of homo sapien. Same with floresiensis. So the evidence is not clear at all.

NoLiveGod said...

I offered a viable way to prove God doesn't exist. Why won't you take it.

Either provide an alternative or let's do my suggestion. Forget about Barack, we're talking about God. Let's pray to the big fella and see if he exists.

It's very simple, JP. Are you willing to take the challenge or not?

NoLiveGod said...

You asked for evidence of evolution (common descent). I provided it. I assume by your response that you concede the evidence.

"The Bible discusses nothing before Adam because it's irrelevant to us."

Irrelevant? I guess so, unless someone like you wants proof of how our species and all life on earth developed. If it's irrelevant, why did you even ask the question? If it's irrelevant, why don't you simply while away your days engrossed in talmud and shouting at the imaginary homosexuals that obviously fascinate you?

"A machine cannot come into existence unless an intelligent being creates it."

A living thing is not a machine. Even worse, this is an argument, not proof. You need to do better. You asked for proof of evolution and I gave you physical specimens and evidence from genetic data, now you need to do the same. Explain the physical evidence that makes special creation by the Biblical God--and less than 10000 years ago, unless you want to alter the Torah--the only viable explanation.

NoLiveGod said...

"So the evidence is not clear at all."

The evidence of WHAT is not clear at all?

The evidence of genetic relation and common descent is fairly strong, in fact.

If you say no, please cite the scientific sources that say exactly this.

jewish philosopher said...

You have proven that man is descended from the apes just as much as I have proven that the PC spontaneously developed from the ENIAC. Obviously not. Engineers built them.

Living things are machines. The heart is a pump. The eye is a camera. Machines never appear spontaneously; they require an intelligent designer. They display purposeful complexity.

Obama and God are analogous. Lack of response doesn't prove lack of existence.

NoLiveGod said...

"Obama and God are analogous."

This made me laugh.

We have verifiable records, reports, and artifacts attesting to the existence of Obama; we have absolutely nothing testifying to the existence of the biblical God. The only thing propping up God is that you choose to believe a millennia-old collection of stories and pseudo-history. Why you do it, I can only guess.

"Lack of response doesn't prove lack of existence."

I suppose, but then prayer is a pretty worthless activity. And, may I remind you, you have not offered a better way to disprove God. If he listens to prayers and answers them, then he should do it now. It's really very simple.

jewish philosopher said...

We have verifiable records, reports, and artifacts attesting to the existence of God.

First of all, every organelle in every living cell verifies the existence of an intelligent designer. That designer identified himself at Mount Sinai, see Exodus 20.

"If he listens to prayers and answers them, then he should do it now."

That made me fall off my chair laughing.

NoLiveGod said...

"That designer identified himself at Mount Sinai, see Exodus 20."

Big deal. I saw some guy on the news who identified himself as the designer.

Every organelle in every living cell verifies evolution. This premise is supported by repeatable methods of reason and experimentation. Methods. Please tell me what method you use to verify God.

How do you want to go about proving God's non-existence if not by prayer? Do you not answer because you are rude, because you have no clue as to how, or because you are afraid?

jewish philosopher said...

" I saw some guy on the news who identified himself as the designer."

Did that guy also destroy a major country with ten supernatural plagues? Feed millions with manna from heaven?

"This premise is supported by repeatable methods of reason and experimentation."

Has anyone every produced a useful, new organ or limb through random mutation and natural selection? Of course not. Design needs a designer as any child knows.

jewish philosopher said...

What has prayer got to do with anything? Why on earth do you imagine that God would listen to you?

jewish philosopher said...

It's clear that evolution is merely a fairy tale, believed mainly by hedonists and murderers. It contradicts everything we know about probability and paleontology, as I explain in detail here.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/03/evolution-science-hijacked-by-atheism.html

It's clear from biology that life requires an intelligent designer and it's clear from history that He is the Biblical God, as I've explained in detail here.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/12/truth-of-judaism.html

The fossils do not contradict the Bible, as I've explained here.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/09/how-i-understand-genesis.html

God not answering prayers proves nothing. Judaism does not claim that God is Domino's Pizza with 30 minute guaranteed delivery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino's_Pizza#30_minute_guarantee

Regarding my gay bashing, consider the following scenario.

Let's say you had a daughter - a talented, lovely young woman of 28 who has just been diagnosed with AIDS and tuberculosis. Not only that, however her husband and her two children, your grandchildren, have been tested and are HIV positive.

Researching into it, it is discovered that when your daughter was 18 she had unprotected sex with a boy in college. That boy, unknown to her, had received anal sex from a homosexual man who, unknown to him, was HIV positive.

These kind of little surprises actually happen every day in America and Europe.

Would your attitude about homosexual freedom change a little? If homosexuality were viewed today as it was even in New York just 50 years ago, your family would probably be in perfect health.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30A12FE34541A7B93C5A81789D95F478685F9&scp=2&sq=homosexual&st=p

GodAwful said...

"What has prayer got to do with anything? Why on earth do you imagine that God would listen to you?"

It seems that if god has listened to anybody, its been to the atheists and heretics. They havn't been fired, but you have. They're mind han't been addled by an obsession with homosexuals, but god certainly has stupefied yours.
Now your pitiful family must rely on charity to eat and pay the rent. Your daughters will end up marrying low-born tzedakah schnorers and your sons marrying cleaning ladies.
If god were truly in your corner, its all those atheists bedeviling your psyche that would have been smitten.
No, look at what god has done to you. Its easy to conclude that god hates you.

jewish philosopher said...

As I mentioned above, my suffering is undoubtedly because I have sinned in not fighting the atheists even more fiercely.

"They havn't been fired, but you have."

They don't have jobs to begin with.

"all those atheists bedeviling your psyche that would have been smitten."

How do you know that they haven't or will not soon be?

NoLiveGod said...

"Has anyone every produced a useful, new organ or limb through random mutation and natural selection?"

Better. People have produced new species and subspecies. And of course random mutation and natural selection are processes that have led, over millions and millions of years to the great diversity of species on earth. Some species have four limbs, and some have many more.

I guess prayer worked for some people, as reported in the oh-so-reliable book you idolize. But it doesn't work for you.

Indeed, if Judaism were at all true you might be a better person.

jewish philosopher said...

In order to refute the Watchmaker Analogy you must show me a watch and prove that it had no maker.

In the fossil record can you find one new organ appearing through a very gradual, trial and error process of mutation and natural selection? In fact, every new limb and organ appears suddenly, fully functional because God created it.

Likewise, in nature, when the environment changes radically, do we see for example fish develop new stomachs to digest crude oil? No, they just die.

In regards to prayer, the Jewish view is that God is a universal king. How he relates to us depends on our relationship with Him. If you would not expect Obama to respond to the email of an unimportant stranger such as yourself, I don't see why you expect God to listen to you.

NoLiveGod said...

"because God created it" -- Ha! Prove this last bit. And try using evidence instead of your worthless, uninformed speculation.

The watchmaker analogy has been refuted for a long time. You just don't accept it because of your bias. Don't blame me for your inability to face facts.

As another has written: Darwin showed how the process of replication could give rise to the illusion of design without the foresight of an actual designer. Replicators make copies of themselves, which make copies of themselves, and so on, giving rise to an exponential number of descendants. In any finite environment the replicators must compete for the energy and materials necessary for replication. Since no copying process is perfect, errors will eventually crop up, and any error that causes a replicator to reproduce more efficiently than its competitors will result in that line of replicators predominating in the population. After many generations, the dominant replicators will appear to have been designed for effective replication, whereas all they have done is accumulate the copying errors which in the past did lead to effective replication. The fallacy in the watchmaker argument, then is the idea that a designer with a purpose in mind is necessary.

"in nature, when the environment changes radically, do we see for example fish develop new stomachs to digest crude oil? No, they just die."

No, some will live and some with the "right" genetic predisposition may eventually. You seem to think these things happen overnight--except for prayer, of course, which is utterly useless. You just pray for people to die for your own amusement, I guess.

"If you would not expect Obama to respond to the email of an unimportant stranger such as yourself, I don't see why you expect God to listen to you."

I would indeed expect the president and/or his office to acknowledge my email. Why should God--according to you the supreme being of the universe and also concerned with why individuals like you ask young girls if they like cock--be held to a lesser standard?

jewish philosopher said...

I'm quite familiar with Darwinism and it's wrong for the following reason:

Evolution proposes that vast amounts of seemingly purposeful complexity can be generated through a random chance process, provided that a great deal of time and space are available and some external selective force limits this random process.

This is basically comparable to someone illiterate attempting to publish books through random trial and error and customer selection. He would buy a printing press, open a bookstore, start printing and make more copies of whatever sold. At first he just arranged his printing type at random, printed and put the results on the shelves. No one bought anything since it was all gibberish. He threw all these failures into the trash bin and continued printing. Eventually, purely by chance, one small booklet actually made sense and in fact became a best seller. So he kept printing more copies of it. Occasionally, there would be some typographical error in the printing; purely by chance, a page would be smudged, a line would be missing. Generally these errors would cause the book to be defective and it would be thrown into the trash, however once in a while a typo would add more meaning to a copy of the book – perhaps a few interesting new sentences. People would ask for more copies of it. The illiterate author would then faithfully reproduce that typo. Gradually entire new books developed through this process of random typographical errors and customer selection. Eventually, the inventory in the book shop had expanded to include tens of millions of titles including novels, plays, poetry, scientific textbooks, history, biography, huge dictionaries and encyclopedias and so on. In fact, these books were actually far more beautiful and profound than books ever written by any human author. All of these were produced by a totally illiterate author through a process of random printing, typos and customer selection over a very long period of time.

Needless to say, such a process is unimaginably unlikely to be successful. It has already been calculated, for example, that the possibility of a monkey typing Hamlet is infinitesimally small.

jewish philosopher said...

I've tried emailing the White House. You just get an automatic reply but nothing happens. So I guess there is really no President. It's all an elaborate hoax.

Anonymous said...

Obama doesn't invite personal requests. God does. In fact, he requires them. So his consistent lack of response (like, why doesn't god EVER heal amputees...)proves that its pointless, like homeopathic medicine.

jewish philosopher said...

God does ask us to pray to Him, but there is no promise that what you want will go to the top of his to do list.

jewish philosopher said...

A lot has to do with who is praying as well.


ח  זֶבַח רְשָׁעִים, תּוֹעֲבַת יְהוָה;    וּתְפִלַּת יְשָׁרִים רְצוֹנוֹ. 8

The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD; but the prayer of the upright is His delight.

Proverbs 15:8

GodAwful said...

"God does ask us to pray to Him, but there is no promise that what you want will go to the top of his to do list."

God has a list? I didn't know that he couldn't multi-task. If I had known that, I'd have prayed that he put me on the top of the list. If he doesn't, its just proof that prayer is no better than a roll of the dice. In fact efficacy of prayer, is much worse than random chance. Hundreds of thousands of god fearing charaydim pray every day and their prayers are never answered. It seems that prayer is in fact counter productive.
Why hasn't he answered your prayers? God probably considers you a big pest.

jewish philosopher said...

I don't know which religion you are coming from, however in Judaism first of all probably 90% of our prayers involve praising God, not requests for things. Furthermore, there is no guarantee that any prayer will be answered. For example, Moses, the greatest of all men, asked God to allow him to enter Palestine and God refused. Deut 3:25-26

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0503.htm#25

GodAwful said...

"For example, Moses, the greatest of all men, asked God to allow him to enter Palestine and God refused. Deut 3:25-26"
Moses' petitions were supposededly responded to about 90% of the time.
However, the topic of discusssion is god responding to a prayer request, not a prayer of praise. Of course you knew that, but you decided to obfuscate the issue because you can't come to terms with the fact that a petition to god elicits no better response than an appeal to Zeus.
If prayer were succesful, it would be evidence of god's existence. It would be very easy to establish god's existence. Have 100 of the biggest gedolim pray for 10 people with terminal cancer and evaluate the results. I'll gice you a 100 to 1 odds. Care to try the experiment? Of course you wouldn't because we know what the outcome would be one more proof against god's existence and the futility of prayer requests. You'd probably get a more gratifying reply from the internal revenue.

jewish philosopher said...

What I don't grasp is why you believe that praying to God would necessarily be different than petitioning any human ruler.

In both cases the petition might or might not be successful depending on:
who is asking
how many are asking
what is being asked

Let's ask the President to pardon some guy on death row and have the petition signed by 100 leading Democrats. It might work; however if the prisoner is in any case executed that would not prove that there is no Obama.

Anonymous said...

No amputee has ever had his prayer answered to regrow his leg. Ever.

Anonymous said...

My supervisor doesn't respond to my memos. I guess that means he doesn't exist, (I wish).

jewish philosopher said...

"No amputee has ever had his prayer answered to regrow his leg. Ever."

So what?

Anonymous said...

You mentioned that prayers are sometimes answered and sometimes not. I gave you a case where an answered prayer would be distinguishable, and yet we see that it has never been answered.

Can you give me a verifiable example where a prayer HAS been answered, when the outcome is not just probabilistic?

I'm not discounting the value of prayer, in terms of introspection, meditation, etc. I am discounting the claim that prayer causes god, if he exists, to change anything.

Anonymous said...

The midrash says that at Mt. Sinai, amputees did regriw their limbs. So maybe it did happen. It would be more accurate to say that there is no record in the literature that people consider authoritative of an amputee regrowing a limb.

jewish philosopher said...

"Can you give me a verifiable example where a prayer HAS been answered, when the outcome is not just probabilistic?"

Not really, but try it. It can't hurt.

jewish philosopher said...

I think the amputee question is a problem for Christianity

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm

but I don't see it being a problem for Judaism.

GodAwful said...

"What I don't grasp is why you believe that praying to God would necessarily be different than petitioning any human ruler."

That you can't grasp the difference is a large defect in your logical protocal. Time for a refresher course at MENSA university

You probably won't comprehend the difference, but let me try anyway.

"In both cases the petition might or might not be successful depending on:
who is asking
how many are asking
what is being asked"

There is no way of determining if those quaifications are presently being met, so your conditions are meaningless.

"Let's ask the President to pardon some guy on death row and have the petition signed by 100 leading Democrats. It might work; however if the prisoner is in any case executed that would not prove that there is no Obama."

But the president can and will respond at a press conference if he were asked why a pardon was not granted. Tell 100 gedolim to set a press conference and see if god appears. This will prove that Obama exists and god doesn't. Of course god will be a no show. But you already knew that, right?
It's evident that in terms of visiblity, god is just out of his league when it comes to addressing his constituents. If god were running for elective office, he would get less votes for dog catcher and certainly would be a lot less effective.

jewish philosopher said...

Actually, God is an absolute dictator not elected by anyone.

I think you're getting confused here between christianity and Judaism. Christians may make some claims that prayers are guarranteed answers but Jews don't.

You may be on the wrong blog.

Joseph said...

In related news, futurepundit reported on a survey that showed a correlation between views on promiscuity and views on drugs.

GodAwful said...

"Actually, God is an absolute dictator not elected by anyone." Of course he is elected. You elected him to be the imaginary dictator.


"I think you're getting confused here between christianity and Judaism. Christians may make some claims that prayers are guarranteed answers but Jews don't."

If god's response is equal to or worse than the laws of chance, then god the elected dictator's non-existence is proven by that mathematical outcome.
Its like worshipping a pair of dice.

jewish philosopher said...

"You elected him to be the imaginary dictator."

Better than your addictions which are your dictators.

"Its like worshipping a pair of dice."

I'm not sure what the chances of results are, but I look at prayer as a spiritual workout, as I explained here.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2009/06/prayer-spiritual-workout.html

Anonymous said...

The Torah says that if the Jews do the wrong thing, that Hashem will hide His face, which means he will not listen to our prayers. So Hashem said sometimes he doesn't answer.

Shalmo said...

Jesus in the gospels tells us that we cannot put God to the test. He won't grant us favors just because we demand them

Der Shygetz said...

BS"D

Thank you for this most enjoyable blog.

I will be using it as the basis for several posts on my own blog after the Three Weeks when I resume blogging.

You are the very epitome of a Creedmoorer Chossid, and it is a pleasure to meet you.

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it be just as logical to wonder if suicide, drugs, etc. are by-products of family and societal rejection, constant risk of violent attacks, and being told that one is a sinner?

One could devise a study, comparing the mental health status of gays in areas that are more accepting of them vs. not.

jewish philosopher said...

"are by-products of family and societal rejection, constant risk of violent attacks, and being told that one is a sinner?"

Well, Jews for example seem to cope fairly well with all that.

Anonymous said...

While Jews certainly dealt with the risk of violent attacks by outsiders and an outside religion considering them to be sinners, they developed a fairly strong communal structure in response. As a result, the family and societal rejection part doesn't apply.

Being Jewish didn't mean rejection from those closest to you. Being gay sometimes does - and THAT is what fuels the higher suicide rate.

jewish philosopher said...

I don't think that an average gay man in New York City today is really despised or attacked too much. I don't think that anyone would really know or care. He's probably much less noticed than an Orthodox Jew, for example. I think that excuse has gotten a little old.

Anonymous said...

"I wonder if gay men deeply psychologically suffer because of their abnormal behavior and this leads to self medication with drugs and alcohol."

Gay men suffer because fuck-holes like you go around telling them how terrible they are so often that they begin to believe it and turn to drugs, alcohol, tobacco use, and unhealthy sexual practices to try and get the smallest amount of dopamine; you deny them any joy, comfort, or positive sense of self. You create the problem and then point to the symptoms as proof that your treatment is correct. The symptoms are not caused by homosexuality. They are caused by you. Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous said...

""are by-products of family and societal rejection, constant risk of violent attacks, and being told that one is a sinner?"

Well, Jews for example seem to cope fairly well with all that."

I actually grew up Jewish...in KKK town...5 solid years of extreme verbal abuse and death threats, bet your ass I almost killed myself. Seemed the only way to stop being scared all the time. And now you're making fun of my pain. So, yeah, being gay really didn't have anything to do with my suicidal tendencies. asshole

jewish philosopher said...

Proud orthodox Jews don't have trouble coping. We trust in God.

Anonymous said...

you're not a proud orthodox jew, your a poser. you grew up a sheygetz and took on a mameshe meshuge haredi hashgacha to prove to the world how truly orthodox jewish you are. have someone tell you day after day after day that they're going to bring a gun to school and shoot you with it, or a knife to stab you, or come to your house and set it on fire, or kill your little sisters and parents in front of you. then tell me where your pride is. any persecution you've got was because you opened your fucking mouth. go back to church.

jewish philosopher said...

The proud orthodox Jew only fears God.

Anonymous said...

just keep repeating that if it makes you feel better. the proud orthodox jew fears danger like any other man, no matter his trust in god. your an idiot on so many levels.

Anonymous said...

when was the last time someone threatened to kill your whole family in front of you because your jewish? did it ever happen when you were 11?