Sunday, August 16, 2009

Happiness Rising



Each day set aside time to contemplate the beauty, the majesty and the unfathomable complexity of creation. This can be done anywhere and at any time. While waiting for a bus or standing on line, think about the miracle of the eye, of the water cycle, of photosynthesis, etc. During all the obligatory prayers and blessings focus on God's love and wisdom. Let this bring you to a greater love of God.

Pray each day to be filled with a love of God.

Don’t expect instant results. Gradually feelings of joy will increase as your love of God increases. This is similar to the sun rising. Dawn gradually breaks until everything is illuminated.

72 comments:

Alex said...

Nice music.
Sunrises are indeed awe-inspiring. But you know what else is? The actual faculty of awe.
It's hard to find an evolutionary advantage of this faculty. I'm sure Darwinists can come with some good Rudyard Kipling-style "Just-so" stories to explain it, though.

Anonymous said...

You are so full of it that I can smell the stench through the internet. If you were so full of "love of god" and his creations you would not be such a bigoted hateful hypocrite. But, then again, hypocrisy is not new, perhaps you can join hands with your jihadist brothers.

jewish philosopher said...

Well, that was a loving comment.

Do I perhaps sense a little buzzkill?

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2009/05/buzzkill.html

Larry Tanner said...

"Pray each day to be filled with a love of God."

What about also praying to be filled with a love of family, friends, self and the planet that sustains us?

Alex, you are interesting. You claim to want to hear how a feeling of awe might be viewed from an evolutionary perspective, yet you seem already pre-disposed to dismiss that view.

jewish philosopher said...

When you love God, you logically will love all those people who choose to serve God.

thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself Lev. 19:18

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0319.htm#18

Which means other Jews.

http://www.torah.org/learning/livinglaw/5766/achareimos.html

Abe said...

Ah yes, the old septic bromide extoling god's love and wisdom.

I suppose we should be more considerate of his arbitrary and mercurial responses to our prayers. I mean if we prayed a little less, perhaps he won't visit another holocaust on us hapless Jews. Maybe the Cambodians who were served with god's murderous bounty need to pray even less so as to avoid another 3 million mass executions. Perhaps the god-fearing Ottoman-Turks were really the chosen people, since they accomplished god's bloodthirsty goal of annihalating 1.5 million Armenians.
But as long as god delivers a pretty sunrise and complex photosynthesis, what is there not to love about him? That is, as long as you're willing to ignore that you're petitioning a blood-thirsty psychopathic sociopath.

jewish philosopher said...

Everyone dies eventually, but who gives us life in the first place?

If you gave a poor man a million dollar check, would it be reasonable for him to throw it back at you and call you a blood-thirsty psychopathic sociopath because you didn't give him a billion?

That seems to be your reasoning in regards to God.

Bear in mind that God did in fact originally create man in the Garden of Eden and gave him eternal life. We messed up and have continued sinning.

See Genesis 2:8

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0102.htm#8

So go ahead and like any narcissist, blame everyone else except yourself for your problems and rant and rage about how unfair everyone else is being to you. See how successful you are with that.

Alex said...

Larry Tanner wrote: "Alex, you are interesting. You claim to want to hear how a feeling of awe might be viewed from an evolutionary perspective, yet you seem already pre-disposed to dismiss that view."

Just as you'd be pre-disposed to dismiss many religious views (because of your research, no doubt), I'm pre-disposed to dismiss many views in evolutionary psychology, because of my research.
(The following link is critical of the field,
http://www.newsweek.com/id/202789/page/4
but based on other examples I've seen, I think it goes a little too easy on it.)

Abe said...

...Bear in mind that God did in fact originally create man in the Garden of Eden and gave him eternal life. We messed up and have continued sinning...

"We messed up"? Speak for yourself. I can understand god's vengance on you and your ilk because you continue to sin.
However, I've never succumbed to those temptations. My concience is as pure as the driven snow. I, unlike you, am not the product of a deceitful talking snake.
God never gave me a million dollars nor burdened me with demands for extirpation of the sins of my great grandparents who were murdered by the nazis.

My circumstance and success is not contingent on mythical creation fantasies.
I have very little problems other than a recent procedure to repair a torn meniscus. My physical and financial health is fine and my family does not want for any of life's necessities and modest pleasures.
Mr. Stein's soliloquiy exemplifies the advice on how to prepare oneself to begin a career as a fundamentlist artful dodger. Typicaly, that's not just a prerequisite, but literaly a vital requirement for embelishing artificial contrivances with logical fallacies.
May I suggest that you abandon god's ideology, hysteria and fundamentalist calculations. Stoking that white-hot neurotic intemperance is not good for you.

jewish philosopher said...

"My physical and financial health is fine and my family does not want for any of life's necessities and modest pleasures."

Great. Then you definitely should love God.

Larry Tanner said...

Alex,

"Just as you'd be pre-disposed to dismiss many religious views...."

No, I wouldn't be pre-disposed to dismiss any religious views. Don't project your prejudices on me, please.

Thanks for that Newsweek post. I happen to agree, based on the article, that in the reported case (dealing with a "rape" gene) the science seems weak and the message could be pernicious.

But honestly, I don't see what the problem is. Someone like Randy Thornhill conducts research and publishes his findings and his interpretation. This causes a brou-ha-ha and other people present their research and their interpretations, and the notes get compared.

Evo-devo seems to be taking its lumps, and that's a good thing for all of us because it forces the science to be done at a high level and it requires us to deal with the possibility that we may not like what the evidence tells us.

So, like I said, I don't see what the problem is. A branch of science is being called on the carpet both from within and without. It's being forced to make better hypotheses and find more and better ways to support them.

Maybe you can help me understand: what is it that science should do? How do you think it should work?

Anonymous said...

...Great. Then you definitely should love God...

I don't love him since you can't love what does not exist. Rather it his two of his primary attributes that deserves adoration -- oblivion and nullity. Without them, there would be little in life to enjoy.

jewish philosopher said...

"you can't love what does not exist"

Well there is where you're wrong. God's existence has been proven beyond doubt.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/12/truth-of-judaism.html

Here's a suggestion: For a couple of minutes each day, practice thinking "Thank you God for air." each time you take a breath. Without air you would die in about three minutes.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_you_live_without_air_food_and_water

This gas is plentiful and free to all! How much we must love our Creator who provides this delicious pleasure.

Abe said...

...Well there is where you're wrong. God's existence has been proven beyond doubt...

Only when the proof is the product of falacious logic and non-sequiters.

...This gas is plentiful and free to all! How much we must love our Creator who provides this delicious pleasure...

Hmmm, the only gas that comes to mind from god's pernicious assaults on humankind is Xyklon B used by the Nazis for their delicious pleasure. But then again, I wouldn't have expected anything different from the Deity on High. Its in his nature.
BTW, its more beneficial to supplicate your refrigerator. Unlike the uncertainties with god, you can be can be assured that you'll never go hungry when your well-stocked fridge responds with a nice helping of left-over shabbos chulent.

jewish philosopher said...

You really hate God, don't you, because His existence reminds you of how disgusting and sleazy you are?

You'll never tell me anything verifiable about yourself. You're too ashamed.

It's a pity.

Anonymous said...

Exhibit A: The Nazi holocaust. The God of JP is a convicted mass murderer and child killer. The victims' "sin"? Being in the same generation as free-thinking skeptics and reformers.

Exhibit B: The typhoon in Taiwan. Thousands of people homeless and hundreds dead. Their sin? We don't know, because God won't tell them, but they must have done something wrong.

A little different picture than the nice warm glowing god of sunrise.

What sayeth the jury?

jewish philosopher said...

So what is your point?

There is no God because if there was we would all be living in Paradise forever?

Or there is a God but we should hate Him not love Him because He punishes sinners?

Or is it just the fact that God asking you to do something is really making you mad? Good luck with that.

I have a post about the Holocaust.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2009/06/holocaust-clear-evidence-of-gods-hand.html

bankman said...

Curious as to why you want to know identity of posters?

Don't you think there may be some reluctance due to the fact that you have stated in the past that skeptics should be exterminated?

Just deal with the arguments, and forget about the identity of the poster. You know what they are all about: turned off frummies, who have finally seen the true effects of this backward, prehistoric, fanatical religion.

That's all you need to know

jewish philosopher said...

"you have stated in the past that skeptics should be exterminated"

No I haven't. Although atheists have in fact had a policy of exterminating rabbis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union#Judaism

"You know what they are all about"

Of course I do. They are addicts who are in denial. I am just curious to know some more details about their addictions, how they became addicts, etc. I guess it's too embarrassing; better to hide behind an anonymous Internet connection.

Alex said...

"Thanks for that Newsweek post. I happen to agree, based on the article, that in the reported case (dealing with a "rape" gene) the science seems weak and the message could be pernicious.

Maybe you can help me understand: what is it that science should do?"

This wasn't about science in general. It was about the so-called science of evolutionary psychology.
It should provide at least a handful of GOOD theories about evolutionary psychology. So many sound laughable.

bankman said...

disagree with orthodox judaism = addicts?

puh - leeze.

You know who we are. We are frum, by action. We daven in your shul. We get aliyas. We say over divrei toirah. We have spouses and kids that we love. We send our kids to yeshiva and Bais Yaakov.

But inside, we feel trapped by a repressive, cultish religion that will excommunicate us (effectively) if we dare speak up. We can only express these feelings online, in an annonomous fashion without risking our life as we know it.

Too bad, after all these years, you don't get it.

jewish philosopher said...

"We are frum, by action."

Right. And when you think nobody's looking, you snort cocaine and have sex with whores and then try to rationalize it with some dumb fallacious arguments.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/07/jewish-skeptics-and-sex.html

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2009/06/post-about-comments.html

Maybe check this out:
http://www.amazon.com/Addictive-Thinking-Second-Understanding-Self-Deception/dp/1568381387/ref=pd_sim_b_5

"we feel trapped"

So just leave. Believe me, we'll be better off without you.

Anonymous said...

"So just leave. Believe me, we'll be better off without you."

No, 'we' won't be better off.

The torah is not in heaven. It's also not in the hands of any one self-appointed group.

-Larry-

jewish philosopher said...

Do you know what a non sequitur is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

Anonymous said...

I do now what a non-sequitur is, and often it can be an effective rhetorical tool.

My point is that 'we' Jews will not be better off if bankman were to 'leave.'

Who are you?

-Larry-

jewish philosopher said...

OK, fine.

But the next time some guy with a big yarmulke get hauled off to prison by the police, don't complain about the "Orthodox".

Who knows if the guy isn't some atheist who is "frum, by action".

bankman said...

You wanted to know who I am, or anon is, I told you.

Speaking for myself, I have never touched cocaine (or even seen it, for that matter), nor have I even spoken or touched a prostitute - nor do I want to (yuck!)

I have also explained why we cannot leave, why we are trapped. So your advice to "just leave" does not help - but thanks for trying at least.

jewish philosopher said...

"You wanted to know who I am, or anon is, I told you."

And gave me no way of verifying it, so it's meaningless.

"we are trapped"

Believe me, NO ONE is keeping you anywhere. We will all be thrilled to get rid of hypocrites like you.

bankman said...

I'm a hypocrite?

jewish philosopher said...

hypocrite

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

So if you don't believe the Torah was given by God and you get an aliya, as you say you do, and announce publicly "Blessed are you Lord our God, Ruler of the universe, who has given us a Torah of truth, implanting within us eternal life. Blessed is the Lord, Giver of the Torah." you are a person who puts on a false appearance of religion.

bankman said...

That is a VERY strict definition, it seems.

We say things all the time that we don't believe.

"It was nice chatting with you"
"I love you, mom"
I'm doing great, baruch hashem"
"That chulent was delicious!"
"Great sermon today, Rabbi"

I guess you are a hypocrite too, then.

Also, I always wondered why hypocrite was THE WORST thing anyone can call you. Politicians hate it when you call them hypocrites, apparently you do too, JP. (hmmmmmm)

jewish philosopher said...

May I suggest investing in a dictionary?

Drop outs are first ones to say "I left Judaism because of all the hypocrites!"

Well, actually I'd like to fix that.

Anonymous said...

What exactly is the evolutionary explanation for the fact that humans enjoy susnsets? It doesn't seem to increase our survivability at all. So why did it evolve?

Anonymous said...

I'm always a little skeptical when atheists talk about suffering. If they really cared about suffering, then they wouldn't be advocating atheism. Religious people, by and large, are the people who are trying to end suffering, and atheists cause the most suffering. If you care about ending suffering, then atheism is not the way to go.

Daniel Angelo Lao said...

what a nice reflection... indeed it is nice if we can spend a little of our time everyday to think and reflect on the beauty of creation -of the beauty of God.

lmark75 said...

Anonymous: "What exactly is the evolutionary explanation for the fact that humans enjoy susnsets? It doesn't seem to increase our survivability at all. So why did it evolve?"

Here's a theory that may explain it. Humans don't have very good night vision, so it makes sense for us to get our rest when it's dark. (unlike cats and bears, for instance) For many people, sunsets have a calming effect, helping them fall asleep more easily in the next few hours

Anonymous said...

Imark75:

That explains why we get sleepy, but not why we enjoy it. And people also like looking at mountains, oceans, trees, etc. Why?

alex said...

"Religious people, by and large, are the people who are trying to end suffering, and atheists cause the most suffering. "

Anon, you should've left off that last phrase. Up until that part it was good.

@imark75 "Here's a theory that may explain it. Humans don't have very good night vision, so it makes sense for us to get our rest when it's dark. (unlike cats and bears, for instance) For many people, sunsets have a calming effect, helping them fall asleep more easily in the next few hours"

That's the kind of goofball evolutionary psychology that I referred to earlier. I can only hope that imark was joking around.

alex said...

@Anonymous: "What exactly is the evolutionary explanation for the fact that humans enjoy sunsets? It doesn't seem to increase our survivability at all. So why did it evolve?"

I tried the same question, except with "awe" and not "enjoying sunsets." Expect a diversionary type of answer. (unless you're like imark, who at least made an attempt.)

Anonymous said...

"That explains why we get sleepy, but not why we enjoy it. And people also like looking at mountains, oceans, trees, etc. Why?"

This is the god of the gaps.

I like chocolate ice cream but can't stand lemon. So what? Does that prove anything?

There is something called a spandrel, a by product of evolution. There is also a certain amount of randomness, evolution does not produce perfect survival machines. Why do we die? Why did we evolve 5 fingers and not 4 or 6? Why did evolution make crap brown and not blue or orange?

Evolution does NOT have to explain every charactistic of humans. It explains change, and the differences between different species in different environments. In contrast, religion DOES have to explain EVERYTHING, since it posits a perfect god, so why would it produce flaws?

jewish philosopher said...

"so why would it produce flaws?"

How do you distinguish between a flaw and something good which we do not yet understand?

Similarly, atheists believe everything is natural and when something seemingly supernatural happens, they say it is natural but we don't understand it.

Anonymous said...

What exactly happened supernaturaly that we don't understand ?

jewish philosopher said...

How about the origin of the universe, the origin of life, free will and self consciousness.

Anonymous said...

Spandrels serve a purpose. They hold up the dome. They look like they were designed to be decorated, but they were eally desinged for another purpose. Evolution is a natularlistic explanation, which mean cause and effect. So, that means if A happens, and not B then there has to be an causal explanation. If humans like sunsets, then there should be a causal explanation, which in the case of oragnisms means evolution. So I think that I can demand an evolutionary explanation.

Anonymous said...

"How about the origin of the universe, the origin of life, free will and self consciousness."

How exactly are these "seemingly supernatural"?

That the universe and life emerged are natural events, certainly. I do not see the basis for considering that their causes are or must be supernatural.

Can you complete this sentence? "The existence of our universe must have a supernatural origin because of ____________."

Free will and self-consciousness both are philosophical terms, which means it's not fully clear that we "have" them. It's not fully agree that they "exist."

But you know, it's been shown in robots that a sense of consciousness can be developed. I'll give you just one recent example. Did you know that robots can evolve the ability to lie? This is but one simple instance where consciousness and will processes begin to emerge in an environment of competition. See http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/08/robots_evolve_to_deceive_one_another.php?utm_source=selectfeed&utm_medium=rss.

So, we're left with the origin of the universe and the origin of life as possible questions where "supernatural" might work as a causal factor.

OK, all you have to do is present evidence that something exists that would qualify as supernatural. What beings, events, and/or properties can be said to belong to the supernatural?

-Larry-

P.S. - What are the odds that JP either ignores the "The existence of our universe must have a supernatural origin because of ____________" request or answers it with a "because the alternative is impossible" (argument from personal incredulity) statement?

jewish philosopher said...

Nothing turning into something, chemical turning into super-complex machines called bacteria, people being conscious of themselves and choosing what they want to do, implying the existence of a soul, sounds supernatural to me.

However as I pointed out, an atheist will just say everything is natural and when something seemingly supernatural happens, it is natural but we don't understand it.

Anonymous said...

>How about the origin of the universe, the origin of life, free will and self consciousness.<

Currently, there are a few unproven hypotheses assesing the origin of the universe. Will one of them be validated? Possibly.

The origin of life has been plausibly and reasonably formulated via sicientific method.

Free will and self conciousness are the products of an ultra-complex subatomic and molecular chemical process.

None of the above have yet been conclusivly proven scientificaly. Perhaps they never will be, but it is absurd to conclude that anything supernatural was the cause, since there is no scientific evidence that god exists.
When you develop a theory based on scientific principles, you may accrue credibilty to your argument. However, lacking scientific methods as you do, the only alternative explaination is faith. Your allegiance to faith is not plausibility or proof. They are asserions of nothing more than irrational polemics.

jewish philosopher said...

"Perhaps they never will be, but it is absurd to conclude that anything supernatural was the cause"

Isn't that exactly what I said: an atheist will just say everything is natural and when something seemingly supernatural happens, it is natural but we don't understand it.

"there is no scientific evidence that god exists"

Sure there is.

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/12/truth-of-judaism.html

Anonymous said...

"Nothing turning into something, chemical turning into super-complex machines called bacteria, people being conscious of themselves and choosing what they want to do, implying the existence of a soul, sounds supernatural to me."

It SOUNDS supernatural, and that means it is. Do I have this correct? Not trying to be nasty, but I want to understand.

"However as I pointed out, an atheist will just say everything is natural and when something seemingly supernatural happens, it is natural but we don't understand it."

No, I never said the origin of the universe and the origin of life were necessarily natural, or only natural.

I did say that once there was a universe, it was natural. And once there was life, it too was natural. Do you agree?

But I think a central difference in our views is that I am willing to allow for the possibility that there might be this thing or state that could reasonably called "supernatural." As I know you, you are not willing to allow for the possibility the supernatural may not exist.

Again, not trying to be nasty or to offend, but is this a fair characterization?

I don't think you have provided a response to this request to complete the sentence: "The existence of our universe must have a supernatural origin because of ____________." Please do complete this. I think your readers would find it illuminating.

-Larry-

jewish philosopher said...

The origin of the universe violates the first law of thermodynamics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics

Anonymous said...

"The origin of the universe violates the first law of thermodynamics."

In your opinion. 'The first law of thermodynamics, an expression of the principle of conservation of energy, states that energy can be transformed (changed from one form to another), but cannot be created or destroyed.'

If the universe came from a singularity, then this law was not violated.

Where did the singularity come from? I don't know, and I don't think you know either.

Outside of the bible and its derived commentaries, what is your basis for asserting that the origin of the universe was the creation of energy and not transformation?

-Larry-

jewish philosopher said...

Isn't this what I said previously: an atheist will just say everything is natural and when something seemingly supernatural happens, it is natural but we don't understand it.

Anonymous said...

That's not what I said.

And again, please complete the sentence: "The existence of our universe must have a supernatural origin because of ____________."

And again once more: Outside of the bible and its derived commentaries, what is your basis for asserting that the origin of the universe was the creation of energy and not transformation?

-Larry-

jewish philosopher said...

If things such as the origin of the universe, the origin of life, self consciousness and free will are natural and not supernatural, then what would be supernatural in your opinion?

Or, as an atheist, will you just say everything is natural and when something seemingly supernatural happens, it is natural but we don't understand it.

Anonymous said...

"If things such as the origin of the universe, the origin of life, self consciousness and free will are natural and not supernatural, then what would be supernatural in your opinion?"

First, I never said that the origin of the universe and the origin of life were natural and not supernatural. Again, I am not claiming this. (please read and repeat to yourself).

Please also remember that you're the one who believes in the supernatural, not me. Yet you have not yet provided even one reason as to why something SHOULD BE considered to have a supernatural cause.

You could clear this up by just completing the sentence: "The existence of our universe must have a supernatural origin because of ____________."

OK, I have one thing that I would consider supernatural. If my grandfather, who died in 1983, were to reappear in the flesh or in spirit form before me and my family during the day and talk to us, I would consider that supernatural.

How about you?

-Larry-

jewish philosopher said...

There are plenty of stories of people being raised from dead. See for example I Samuel 28:15

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt08a28.htm#15

That doesn't seem to impress you.

What I am saying is simply that I believe atheists are guilty of using a double standard. They expect Judaism to explain everything and if it can't then Judaism is false.

For example: Why would God create males with nipples? Judaism cannot explain it, therefore it is false.

On the other hand, atheism cannot explain many things, however this does not deter atheists; they will simply claim that there is an unknown explanation.

jewish philosopher said...

"What I am saying is simply that I believe atheists are guilty of using a double standard. They expect Judaism to explain everything and if it can't then Judaism is false."
I rejected this by mistake:

You raise an interesting point. Personally I don't expect judaism to explain everything. OTOH, I don't think it really explains anything.

Why won't you answer the questions I have posed repeatedly?

-Larry-

I'm not saying you personally say this.

"The existence of our universe must have a supernatural origin because of ____________."

How about this:

"The existence of our universe must have been caused by a transcendent supreme being because that seems like the only reasonable possibility."

Anonymous said...

A little humor: http://www.atheistcartoons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/unholy_trinity3.jpg

-Larry-

Anonymous said...

Or perhaps this is more relevant: http://www.atheistcartoons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/who_knows2.jpg

jewish philosopher said...

"transcendent" means existing outside time and space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendence_(philosophy)

Anonymous said...

"How do you distinguish between a flaw and something good which we do not yet understand?"

Do you mean like hurricane Katrina, the holocaust, childhood leukemia and the black death? Do you mean they are really good but we don't understand?

Not only can Judaism/religion not explain them, they explicitly contradict the idea of a just and merciful god.

"What I am saying is simply that I believe atheists are guilty of using a double standard. They expect Judaism to explain everything and if it can't then Judaism is false."

We expect Judaism not contradict itself.

In science there is the unexplained, but if something contradicts a theory, the theory is thrown out. In Judaism if something doesn't make sense, you say we don't understand, and never will.

jewish philosopher said...

"they explicitly contradict the idea of a just and merciful god"

Not at all. Check the destruction of Sodom, the Deluge and about a hundred other Biblical stories of divine punishment. According to Judaism, God is jealous, angry and vengeful.

"We expect Judaism not contradict itself."

Something happening we don't understand doesn't contradict Judaism.

Anonymous said...

"According to Judaism, God is jealous, angry and vengeful."

I'm glad you have a good role model.

ה' ה' אל רחום וחנון ארך אפיים ורב חסד ואמת נוצר חסד לאלפים נושא עוון ופשע וחטאה ונקה..

So tell me what the sins of the victims of Katrina or the typhoon in Taiwan were guilty of. I'm sure they don't know either.

jewish philosopher said...

Why do I have to know?

The LORD is a jealous and avenging God, the LORD avengeth and is full of wrath; the LORD taketh vengeance on His adversaries, and He reserveth wrath for His enemies. Nahum 1:2

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1901.htm#2

Let's put it like this: every sin is punished and the punishment is always big. However it is not necessarily immediate. It may be later in this life, in the next world or in future life.

God is kind and merciful, to people who listen to Him.

Anonymous said...

Didn't Godel prove that any system of logic is contradictory. If logic can be contradictory, why can't religion?

Anonymous said...

I listened to God, but he killed my cat with cancer and poisoned my dog for my efforts of listening to him. He is not a very nice God. Nothing of this sort happened when I was a homosexual and abused drugs and alcohol.
This proves that he's one mean SOB in heaven.
Next week I'm buying new pets and going back to my old sinning habits.
It can't be any worse than listening to God.

alex said...

Creationist cartoons, Larry:
http://www.evidentcreation.com/Prev-CT.html

alex said...

"In contrast, religion DOES have to explain EVERYTHING, since it posits a perfect god, so why would it produce flaws?"

If you haven't read "The Knowing Heart" by the Ramchal, you're really missing out!

Anonymous said...

"Why do I have to know?"

If you claim to know God's ways than you have to have an answer. And if you don't have an answer, then what good is punishment if the punishees don't know what they're being punished for.

Totally illogical.

Kind of like saying that God can make a square a circle. He can't.

Menashe said...

To anon. who asked about the evolutionary advantage of appreciation of sunsets --

Generally, people who are happier tend to live longer and function better in their lives, and are therefore more likely to reproduce. As such, it would make sense that humans' ability to derive pleasure and happiness from nature around them should provide an evolutionary advantage over humans who don't.

Anonymous said...

But why do people who are happier live longer? Adn why is it that we need to enjoy sunsets and mountains to be happy? Why can't eating and procreating be enough. And years that are added to life expectency are not an advantage in a Darwinian sense if they are added after the reproductive years end.

Alex said...

Menashe, I just read your explanation two posts ago, and I also just read how skunks got their stripes, by Rudyard Kipling (see the first post above). Frankly, Kipling's explanation,
(http://www.flint.lib.mi.us/kidsweb/PierceSarvis/Pourquoi/Martwan%20R.shtml) was more convincing.