Tuesday, December 30, 2008

The Essential Philosopher

I have now been blogging for almost three years. In honor of the anniversary, I am creating a mini-blog summarizing some of my major findings.

11 comments:

DrJ said...

Here is a summary of my diagnostic "findings" about you, JP:

1. You hold extremist Cheredi ideologies and support them with pseudo-scientifc arguments that have been rejected long ago by scientists.

2. Your arguments rely primarily on ad hominem attacks.

3. Despite a seemingly "scientific" approach you believe in illogical and supernatural explanations, when you encounter a logical or empirical contradiction.

4. Your logical arguments are flawed primarily by confirmation bias.

All of this notwithstanding, maybe you're a good guy, I don't know :)
It is possible to be a deeply believing person while still sounding rational and reasonable (as is the case with my wife of 27 years), so I haven't given up on you.

jewish philosopher said...

"You hold extremist Cheredi ideologies"

Everything I believe in is explicitly spelled out in the Talmud and would have been considered mainstream Jewish beliefs up until about 100 years ago.

"Your arguments rely primarily on ad hominem attacks."

No. Ad hominem means "you're a bad person, therefore you're wrong". I am sometimes saying "you are reaching wrong conclusions because you are bad". That's not a logical fallacy. That's just explaining why people lie.

"you believe in illogical and supernatural explanations"

Until Darwin, there was nothing taboo or abnormal about referring to God in scientific literature.

My beliefs do not contradict science. They do not contradict hard, exact, repeatable laboratory experiments which is the type of science which produces new technologies and medical treatments and wins Nobel Prizes. My beliefs contradict the personal beliefs of many scientists. So what? Isaac Newton, one of history’s most brilliant scientists, was a devout Christian. Do you want to be baptized?

"Your logical arguments are flawed primarily by confirmation bias."

You're just imagining that. The truth is anyone's motives for anything can be questioned. Does Obama want to be president because he wants to help people? Or is he just hungry for power and attention? Was Darwin motivated by a desire for the truth? Or was he angry at God for the death of his young daughter? There is no way to know. And what's the difference?

Abe said...

>Everything I believe in is explicitly spelled out in the Talmud and would have been considered mainstream Jewish beliefs up until about 100 years ago.<

Just because it was mainstream does not mean it was not absurd.
Your methodology to legitimitize superstitious beliefs can best be characterized as a lame attempt validate useless edicts and meaningless rituals.
Of course, it is incomprehensible to you that rational people consider you an idiot. To you truth is a threat and logic is a menace.

jewish philosopher said...

"Just because it was mainstream does not mean it was not absurd."

But it's not extreme.

"Your methodology to legitimitize superstitious beliefs"

Superstition is a belief or notion not based on reason or knowledge. Evolution is a perfect example.

"a lame attempt validate useless edicts and meaningless rituals"

Like for example circumcision which recently was discovered to prevent HIV? And by the way, the only cure for drug addiction and alcoholism is believing in God. Judaism is the only path to true peace and happiness.

"Of course, it is incomprehensible to you that rational people consider you an idiot."

You mean anonymous bloggers like you, who for all I know may be 16 year old pot heads? I think I can live with that.

Avi said...

HEY JP I am still waiting to debate you public or private. Think of the brownie points that you will get, not to mention my haylegeh neshama that you will save ( Thats the way my son describes me, what can I tell you....Avi

lars said...

rock on the orthodox

jewish philosopher said...

Avi, if you have any questions, feel free to ask. This blog is basically a debate.

Rebeljew said...

Can you truly call it a "discovery" if you made up some nonsense and then twist everything you hear to sustain the conclusion that you already reached before your research began?

Don't worry Avi. This blog is debate in the same way as JP research is "research". If what you write doesn't sustain his foregone conclusion, he will procede to ad hominem. If you continue to press, he will usually just delete your further comments.

jewish philosopher said...

"Can you truly call it a "discovery" if you made up some nonsense and then twist everything you hear to sustain the conclusion that you already reached before your research began?"

Darwin did and he's famous.

DrJ said...

Your beliefs absolutely DO contradict science, since science is NOT a specific set of conclusions but rather a METHOD.

Your sweeping statements simply toss into the garbage all of the inductive reasoning and empirical methods used in archeology, anthropology and cosmology, because the conclusion don't suit your faith. You wouldn't be making these ridiculous arguments had you not been a member of a fundamentalist community.

Nobel prize winners, by the way, include poets, economists, and statesmen, and is certainly not a criterion for good science. Yasser Arafat won a Nobel prize, do you believe in him?

Science has to do with evidence, inductive reasoning, PEER REVIEW (which allows for criticism and disproving claims). Your faith based claims have no relation at all to the scientific method.

I still maintain that you can present a cogent (albeit non-cheredi) rational basis for faith, that incorporates what humanity has learned about the world in the past 2000 years.

jewish philosopher said...

I think you're arguments have something to do with Christianity, where religion is based on faith, meaning some sort of emotional feeling. In contrast, my beliefs are based on reason and evidence.

You can't just go out to Richard Dawkins or Bertrand Russell, cut and paste something they wrote about Christianity, and apply it to all "religion" including Judaism.