Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Atheism and Satanism


[Inverted cross; sometimes used as a Satanic symbol.]

Some atheists lament the lack of any positive name for what they believe in; atheism after all just means “no gods” or “godless”. Many atheists have tried in recent years to use the word “bright”, however with limited success.

The fact is, there is a positive name for atheism: Satanism.

According to Peter H. Gilmore, the current high priest of LaVeyan Satanism, "Satanism begins with atheism. We begin with the universe and say, 'It’s indifferent. There’s no God, there’s no Devil. No one cares!'”

Satanism has priesthood, scripture, rituals, symbols and a name, things that many atheists to some extent would like to have as well.

LaVeyan Satanism combines the philosophies of Ayn Rand and Friedrich Nietzche, together with Satanic symbols which are added to demonstrate an opposition to traditional religions. LaVeyan Satanism means a worship of ones self and one’s own birthday is the most important holiday. Promiscuity is completely acceptable. I think that this fits in very well the beliefs of most atheists. Perhaps too well.

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

I understand your (silly, IMO) idea that people leave religion because they want to be promiscuous, but putting that aside, what's the problem with Satanism?

Once theism is rejected, who cares whether promiscuity is "completely acceptable"? And wouldn't it make sense that one's birthday would become infinitely more important than, say, Yom Kippur?

Perhaps you can take issue with Satanism's anti-religious symbols, but why is this issue any different from others? Why can't one side be actively involved in protesting the other and trying to convince the other side of the truth in their approach?

Pointless post... you are just trying to associate "scary" ideas with atheism and are doing a poor job of it.

jewish philosopher said...

"what's the problem with Satanism?"

I didn't say there was a problem.

Anonymous said...

Then I believe your post is just fear-mongering.

jewish philosopher said...

I'm saying the whole "bright" movement is unnecessary. For one thing, bright implies intelligent and of course an atheist need not be, however besides that there is a perfectly good positive name for atheism already.

Rich Perkins said...

What is the deal with your fixation on atheists and their supposed sex crazed attitude. I have become a skeptic/agnostic whatever you want to call it after several years of marriage. I have no plans or interest in leaving my wife in search of this morally depraved, sex filled life you think we all want.

Also, since the torah does not forbid pre-marital sex or concubines, but neither of those are accepted in OJ as normative. Would you call Shlomo Hamelech a sex crazed person for having all those wives & concubines? So if you were following the torah, you could be the man you assume all atheists want to be.

Rich
http://frustratedorthojew.blogspot.com/

jewish philosopher said...

I know, people become atheists because the philosophy is so good. Just like they subscribe to Playboy because the articles are so good.

Name one guy with a girlfriend or concubine with his rabbi's consent. It is not allowed.

Rich Perkins said...

know, people become atheists because the philosophy is so good.
i think people people become atheist because they feel the philosophy being offered by religion is so bad.

Name one guy with a girlfriend or concubine with his rabbi's consent. It is not allowed.

Why not? The torah does not prohibit it. I know it is not accepted in our modern day society, but that should have no bearing on the absolute truth you say the torah purveys.

jewish philosopher said...

"I know it is not accepted in our modern day society"

Girlfriends are very accepted in modern society, but not in Orthodox Judaism, so people leave.

Rich Perkins said...

i meant modern OJ society. Now could you actually answer my question as to WHY concubines are not allowed.

Girlfriends are very accepted in modern society, but not in Orthodox Judaism, so people leave.

They may leave while having a girlfriend, but i think there are always underlying issues. You like to assume that they want the girlfriend so they leave. I know many more stories where people are put off by OJ for very real reasons and their family shuns them. the only person they have to turn to is their girlfriend, so she naturally becomes more important in his life.

jewish philosopher said...

"Now could you actually answer my question as to WHY concubines are not allowed."

WHY should they be? Are people having such great families without concubines popping in and out all the time?

"I know many more stories where people are put off by OJ for very real reasons"

I know, like the hare chewing its cud thing. That's going around a lot.

Rich Perkins said...

WHY should they be? Are people having such great families without concubines popping in and out all the time?

I am not saying they SHOULD all I am saying is that the torah allows it. You love to take this moral high road, but refuse to acknowledge that these things you rail against where common place in Judaism not that long ago.

In the same manner, i don't think people should have multiple wives, but that doesn't mean the torah is against it. just look at the avot.

jewish philosopher said...

"where common place in Judaism not that long ago."

Any source for that? Other than the kings, plural wives and concubines were rare as far as I know.

Rich Perkins said...

I would have to look around for a specific source, but i have read that in several places. However, that is really not the point. Kings are not above halacha and they were acting within halacha when they had their multiple wives and/or concubines.

So the fact remains that the torah allows it and we COULD have concubines were it not for rabbinical edict.

jewish philosopher said...

The kings had a high enough status that women were willing to accept that situation. For most other people - not so much.

Anyway, I never said that people were leaving Judaism to engage in polygamy.

Samuel Skinner said...

It isn't Satanism- that would be worshipping the Devil or Set for those Rostacrutions amoung us. What they call Satanism is actually hedonism- the unrestrained pursuit of pleasure.

As for myself, I am against polygamy and promiscuity because they result in higher social tension and rampant vernal disease respectively.

Note that it IS fear mongering- saying Satanism is atheism is as accurate as saying communism is- which is ironic because they are polar opposites.

jewish philosopher said...

Perhaps some atheists are hijacking satanism.

Joodah said...

did i miss something? isn't the character Satan created by religion? I mean, Judaism considers Satan to be the "enticer", the "deceiver", the prosecutor of the High-court of G-d. One of the angels, albeit one with a pretty thankless job.

With this in mind, i don't see how someone can believe in satan without G-d.

jewish philosopher said...

"did i miss something?"

I think some atheists use Satanist to mean anti-theist.

Anonymous said...

I know, people become atheists because the philosophy is so good. Just like they subscribe to Playboy because the articles are so good.

Lets adress this one first, you are, by sarcastic red herring, attempting to compare apples and oranges. You beg the question of your presupposition here. The presupposition that people become atheistic only because they are hedonistic. This is not the case, as there are hedoistic religions out there.



Name one guy with a girlfriend or concubine with his rabbi's consent. It is not allowed.

So you have a proscription against a particular behavior. You have a similar proscription against eating shellfish. That makes about as much sense as a person becoming atheistic because they like shrimp

Samuel Skinner said...

Lets be honest- the only people who do so are jackasses, who do so to mock Christians and get off at their shock.

Also, why on Earth is an inverted cross the symbol of Satanism? Were early Satanists that lame? Did the church simply make up the threat and hire really incompetant worldbuilders?

If you are going to be the forces of evil you get something snazzy, or if too expensive, simple, but impressive.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ea/Star_wars_galactic_empire_emblem.svg/600px-Star_wars_galactic_empire_emblem.svg.png
http://www.coyote-custom.com/agora/html/images/scifi/rebel.gif
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w27/bloddyredcommie/imperaleagle.png

jewish philosopher said...

I have reasons for thinking that atheism is motivated largely by testoterone.

Samuel Skinner said...

Irrelevant fallacy- the same could be said for math, computer science or a whole host of other fields.

jewish philosopher said...

My opinion is clearly the truth.

Samuel Skinner said...

Obviously you are unfamilar with some of the more... unique Christian sects. I don't know about Judaism, but I remember that Rasputin joined up with some... unusual people.

James F. Elliott said...

If they combine Rand with Neitzsche, they didn't read their Rand very carefully.