Friday, December 08, 2006

Natural Law Strongly Suggests God Exists


[Sir Isaac Newton; described universal gravitation and the three laws of motion]

All of science, and in fact all of normal, everyday, life is based on the exactly regular workings of natural law. We take it for granted that if certain objects consistently behave in a certain way, then they always have and always will; it is a "law of nature". We have no doubt that lighting the stove will heat, not freeze, our dinner and that an object released from our hand will fall to the floor, not to the ceiling. All of science and technology are based on the assumption that if certain substances behave in a certain way in repeatable experiments then they always have and always will.

These "laws of nature" are far from simple, either. Each year scientists discover new levels of unbelievable complexity as they scratch the surface of understanding how our universe really works.

Obviously "natural laws" imply a Supreme Legislator Who decreed them. If the universe had, somehow, come into existence spontaneously it should logically be chaotic as well. How could such a tremendously complex and consistent system have no designer or supervisor whatsoever? Clearly it is orchestrated by a Supreme Being.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

If you could prove God exists what room would there be for faith?

Anonymous said...

"Obviously "natural laws" imply a Supreme Legislator Who decreed them."

Obviously.


Just play with idea. How about if the universe could not work if it wasn't ordered. Perhaps ours is the only sucess in a long line of failures.

You really can't see the big picture do you?

jewish philosopher said...

Henry, in my life there is no room for faith. I base decisions on facts only.

Goat, my understanding is that order implies intelligence. Why else is there order and not chaos?

jewish philosopher said...

Henry, in my life there is no room for faith. I base decisions on facts only.

Goat, my understanding is that order implies intelligence. Why else is there order and not chaos?

Anonymous said...

Premise one: Our universe may just be the last in a long line of failures. Imagine this: a universe pops into existense and because it is not perfectly ordered it gradually decays and annihilates itself. Then another and another and another. Only when a universe that is ordered pops into existence does it stand the test of time.

Premise two: You are assuming that our universe IS ordered. I'm not so sure that it is. Asteroids are hitting planetary bodies all the time with the porential to cause devastation. There are even photographic images from the hubble telescope showing entire galaxies colliding with eachother, albeit extremly slowly. I can't even imagine what that would mean for the solar systems they contain. Furthermore, one theory for the future of the universe is that will eventually suffer heat death. So perhaps this perceived order is temporary.

jewish philosopher said...

Goat, I've ammended the title, and I think this is more accurate.

Anonymous said...

Hmmmm.

What about "Natural Law suggests that God might exist, but then again he might not"?

Think about it. thats all I ask.

Anonymous said...

If there is no room in your life for faith, and assuming that you are sane and not suffering from voices in the head, delusions etc, the only logical position for you, operating on a basis of Facts is that of a Hard Core Atheist.

Certainly the God that you describe bears little resemblance to the Judeo-Christian God that I encounter through the Catholic Church, as revealed through the 2000 year Christian tradition and the 1500 year Jewish tradition before that. As I have said in other responses, the God that you describe is female and answers to the name of Kali.

You should get yourself an different spiritual director.

jewish philosopher said...

The facts surely point toward God. That's what this blog is all about.

Anonymous said...

Point towards, perhaps. Prove, no. We know the presence of God through our personal encounter with him. But it cannot be proved by the kind of methods used by science, which is what makes Dawkins sound such a fool.

But anyone who says God can be proved is handing Dawkins his ammunition.

jewish philosopher said...

I think the existence of God may be the most obvious thing about the world around us.

Anonymous said...

It might be to you. But then again, how do you know that what is obvious to you is even real? After all, lots of people see all sorts of things that are not there. How can you be sure without other people around who will confirm it for you?

To suggest that the existence of God is obvious is bad theology in both Christianity and Judaism. As I said earlier, you need a good spiritual director. All of us do. I get the sense that you are making it up as you go along.

Anonymous said...

It might be to you. But then again, how do you know that what is obvious to you is even real? After all, lots of people see all sorts of things that are not there. How can you be sure without other people around who will confirm it for you?

To suggest that the existence of God is obvious is bad theology in both Christianity and Judaism. As I said earlier, you need a good spiritual director. All of us do. I get the sense that you are making it up as you go along.

Anonymous said...

It might be to you. But then again, how do you know that what is obvious to you is even real? After all, lots of people see all sorts of things that are not there. How can you be sure without other people around who will confirm it for you?

To suggest that the existence of God is obvious is bad theology in both Christianity and Judaism. As I said earlier, you need a good spiritual director. All of us do. I get the sense that you are making it up as you go along.

Anonymous said...

It might be to you. But then again, how do you know that what is obvious to you is even real? After all, lots of people see all sorts of things that are not there. How can you be sure without other people around who will confirm it for you?

To suggest that the existence of God is obvious is bad theology in both Christianity and Judaism. As I said earlier, you need a good spiritual director. All of us do. I get the sense that you are making it up as you go along.

Anonymous said...

That was quite a good comment henry, very good in fact, but I'm not sure that it warranted three extra copies...
..but thats just me.

jewish philosopher said...

I guess my blog is about my opinions, isn't it? I am, however, happy to read all comments about why I may be wrong.

Anonymous said...

Sorry about that, it did not appear to be uploading, could be a problem with Safari browser or the server. JP, please delete the copies, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Sorry about that, at my end it was not registering as having been uploaded, I got a "script error" message

Anonymous said...

Everybody is entitled to their opinions but there is some objective truth out there even if we can only grasp the merest outlines of it.

One of the duties of being human is to keep on trying, but never to imagine that we have found it.

There seem to be some new scripts in the blog which Safari does not like so I am using Firefox.