Monday, August 28, 2006

Samson’s Struggle – Satmar (and Others) Helping



My son Samson has cerebral palsy; he is mentally fine but cannot yet walk. Because of his condition, he required major surgery on his hips last Wednesday which involved a 4 day stay in the Hospital for Joint Diseases.

What struck me as being remarkable was the great deal of support given to us by the Orthodox community. When we checked into the hospital a representative from Yedei Chesed helped us to find a room in the hospital which we could use temporarily to sleep and nurse our baby. She then came and visited us in the hospital the first night and brought a beautiful toy for Samson. The following night, she graciously brought more items to the hospital needed for our stay. For Shabbos and Sunday morning we relocated to a very comfortable apartment just around the corner made available by Bikur Cholim d’Satmar, no payment required. Now bear in mind that I am not Satmar and Satmar people allowed the hospital social worker to give me keys to the apartment without having any idea who I am. The apartment was clean, with linens and towels and food for Shabbos. As if this wasn’t enough, Chai Lifeline brought a big box of food for Shabbos.

We really felt that caring people, whom we didn’t necessarily even know, were supporting us all the way through a difficult experience.

Can an atheist possibly expect this level of support from fellow atheists? I hardly think so. The only parallel I am aware of is the Ronald McDonald House Charities, which I believe are able to help only a limited number of very critically ill children and their families.

It’s a shame that the media insists on constantly harping on the negative. If one time a crowd of Satmar boys brawl and bloody a few noses, it’s international news. (The Economist reported it!) However thousands of daily acts of selfless kindness and charity go almost unnoticed.

57 comments:

LMark said...

Kudos to those organizations for helping you out, and best wishes for a speedy recovery to your son. However, i want to point out that most of the what these organizations were doing was helping you out with the special needs that you and your family have as Orthodox Jews, such as Shabbat and kashrut, needs that are not faced by athiests. I would expect that Orthodox organizations would step in to help people with special needs that they understand. Yes, the Ronald McDonald Houses may not have been able to accomodate those needs, but orthodox needs should be met by fellow orthodox jews. By the way, Ronald McDonald houses will help anybody (essentially where the need is greatest) withgout asking about religion. Satmars (correct me if I'm wrong) will only help out fellow Orthodox Jews.

jewish philosopher said...

The Orthodox organizations seem to be concerned with doing whatever can be done to ease the plight of fellow Orthodox Jews. And while it is true that they limit themselves to other Jews, however do atheists do even that much in terms of assisting other atheists?

jewish philosopher said...

And keep in mind as well - on the very rare occaisions when Satmars fight, they are also hitting other Jews. ;-)

LMark said...

Atheists don't need an apartment around the corner for Shabbat, because they can drive or use mass transit on that day, just like you did, I'm sure, during the rest of Samson's hospitalization. Atheists don't need food deliveries, unless they are impovershed, because they can walk into any restaurant and order something, without regard to dietary laws. These are special needs that your family faced , and I'm glad someone took care of them, but they are best taken care of by other religious Jews.
And atheists don't have special programs to assist other atheists, they have programs to assist other people, period. My uncle's brother is a quasi-religious Jew. To me, he is very religious, but by your standards he is probably an atheist. for all I know, he may very well be similar to orthoprax (or actually, "conservo-prax"), only following rituals for cultural reasons. He is a cancer survivor, and in the course of his treatment, he met many families of people who had traveled to NY for treatment, who had no place to stay. He now works to get hotels to donate vacant rooms for use by families of cancer patients. This service is available to all, regardless of race or creed. While, as I mentioned before, he is somewhat observant, I don't think he has much true religious feeling. (I could be wrong) The work that he now does is motivated by natural empathy and his own experiences with serious illness.

jewish philosopher said...

It's true that there is charitable work done by secular people, as I pointed regarding the Ronald McDonald Houses. However my point is that it is much more limited in scope. The Ronald McDonald House in Manhattan for example is able to help only cancer patients if I'm not mistaken, and only a small number of those.

All parents of ill children would welcome onsite or nearby accomidations at low or no cost. Occupying a recliner at bed side for a few days isn't much fun. Even in Manhattan the nearest hotels may be blocks away and also expensive.

LMark said...

"All parents of ill children would welcome onsite or nearby accomidations at low or no cost. Occupying a recliner at bed side for a few days isn't much fun. Even in Manhattan the nearest hotels may be blocks away and also expensive."

Exactly, and that's exactly what my uncle's brother is doing, for people of all races, creeds, and colors. And not just on Shabbat, either. the hotel rooms are still blocks away (NY has good public transit) but are donated, so they are free.

LMark said...

"on the very rare occaisions when Satmars fight, they are also hitting other Jews. ;-)"


You can say that about the Satmars. (who are non, or even anti-Zionist) You can't say that about the ultra-nationalistic religious Zionists.

jewish philosopher said...

There is some secular charity, however I don't believe that the average secular person can arrive at hospital with a sick child and be approached by several secular charitable organizations who want to help. Proportionally, the efforts are much smaller.

I don't believe in Zionism.

Jewish Atheist said...

It's true that the Orthodox community is great for taking care of the sick and needy, at least within the community. The community is the thing I miss most about Orthodoxy. However, for those of us who don't or won't fit in, it's not worth it.

Jewish Atheist said...

Oh, and I hope your son is doing well, of course!

jewish philosopher said...

Thanks for the good wishes. And you're right, I would not say it's cost effective to become Orthodox because if you're sick someone is going to bring you chicken soup.

I mostly wanted to point out that Orthodoxy is in general a more caring society than the secular world. And that media of coverage of Orthodox in general and Satmar in particular seems to be one sided.

Above Rubies said...

Your son and family are in my thoughts and prayers at this time. I'm so sorry that your little boy has to go through such a painful surgery, but I'm thankful he had that option.

All you're trying to do is point out how wonderful parts of the orthodox community are, and not speak lashon hora against it. It's easier to kvetch about the community than to stand up and tell others what's wonderful. Thank you for sharing your experience. I don't care if people think we "only take care of our own." Thousands of years have shown us that no one else is going to do it. I'm grateful that we have such caring people to help us through such stressful times. I never experienced or saw that kind of care growing up in a christian community. I never saw people go out of their way to bring food when making a shiva call, or voulenteer to drive a stranger into the city to visit a loved one in the hospital. We are fortunate for what we have and should do our best to care for others, for we don't need when we may need to receive the same kindness.

Anonymous said...

Ever hear of The Shriners, Elks, Masons and Rotarians? They are not Jews but they do. You don't have to be frum to give or receive

Above Rubies said...

I don't think anyone is trying to argue that point, Anonymous. I give charity to lots of causes that aren't Jewish. I sponsor a little girl who lives in Haiti through a Christian charity-food for a baby is food! The point is that people outside of the community don't go out of their way to say, make sure we have kosher food or a nearby place to visit a loved one over shabbos. We realize that we make the choice to be kosher and keep shabbos-the point is that we're thankful that people will help us to keep those mitzvot. I'm sure there are many who would disagree with me, but if I had to eat treif and drive to see my sick baby, I'd do it. That said, it's nice to know I could have a choice.

Baal Habos said...

Jewish Philosopher.

Firstly, God should send Samson a refuah Shelaima amonsgt all sick peoples of the world and should help you and your family cope. He looks like a real cutie pie.

Moving on, I think you have a warped sense of what the world out there is like. There are thousands of volunteers in projects like Big Brother, Peace Corps, etc. There are non religious people and even atheists who are deeply involved in charitable organizations. And may I add that the non-religious and atheists do it strictly out of compassion and not because they're expecting Schar. After all, helping people in need is indeed a mitsvah.

Then, you should consider that all the medical expertise you recieve is coming thru a discipline that is succesful because it relies on the principles of Science.

If the world had not broken out of the grip of religious fundamentalism, (eg the rennasiance, misspelled), imagine how bleak all our lives would be today. So we should all count our blessings. You want to thank God, Satmar and Bikkur Cholim? I'm there with you. But don't use this moment of appreciation to take a pot shot at others that don't subscribe to your value system.

I hope you and your family have good health and Nachas from your children.

jewish philosopher said...

Dear Bos,

First of all, you know me by now. I never leave a pot unshot.

And it is true that atheists have invented plenty of marvelous things. Samson might not be alive at all if not for modern science; he was born, with his twin sister, 11 weeks early.

Let’s not forget however the other side of the coin – atheists have created the Gulag, the Great Leap Forward as well as the more recent North Korean famine. Science has also created the threat of nuclear war. This is besides the issue of global warming. So I would have to say that the jury is still out regarding the net good done by atheists for humanity.

And as I’ve already mentioned, in the post itself as well, that secular people also help others, however I would argue that this is proportionately very limited compared to what is done within the Orthodox community. I’m afraid you don’t really know what’s going on out there.

Cameron said...

First of all, you know me by now. I never leave a pot unshot.

- Your arguments are indeed like pot shots, ineptly aimed, and frequently damaging to unintended targets. I didn't have a problem with your post (indeed, I wish Samson a speedy recovery and the best of health) until you took the gratuitous step of slighting atheists for our lack of community spirit. Even then I didn't think it worth commenting till I found these ludicrous sentiments in your comment section:

And it is true that atheists have invented plenty of marvelous things. Samson might not be alive at all if not for modern science; he was born, with his twin sister, 11 weeks early.

- Glad we got that out of the way, atheist science gave life to your son. Next up, smearing atheist science.

Let’s not forget however the other side of the coin – atheists have created the Gulag,

- Communists were responsible for the Gulag, not atheists. Repeat after me; communism does not equal atheism.

the Great Leap Forward

- Ditto my above comments about Gulags.

as well as the more recent North Korean famine.

- And we have the trifecta of communist countries. Where is the Czech Republic? Belgium? Japan? The Netherlands? Why aren't any of the predominantly secular countries of the world making your list of crimes? Could it be that despite the fact they are atheist they are also liberal democracies where freedom flourishes?

Science has also created the threat of nuclear war.

- Science is merely the accumulation of knowledge, in this case, nuclear technology. What politicians do with that technology (be it energy production, or nuclear weapons) isn't the fault of either the natural world (for being the resource of nuclear power) nor the people who discovered how to unleash it. Science will reveal how to forge metal, politicans (who are on the whole more religious than scientists) decide whether to make plowshares or swords.

This is besides the issue of global warming.

- Well that's nice. Of course global warning is just the fault of 'the scientists'. If perhaps we resided in caves living a hunter gatherer lifestyle, communally reading only one book made up of decaying sanskrit parchment (assuming we can even read), and longing for the invention of toilet paper, we wouldn't have global warning. I for one would rather opt for the current situation.

So I would have to say that the jury is still out regarding the net good done by atheists for humanity.

- Fortunately, nobody asked you to be on the jury.

And as I’ve already mentioned, in the post itself as well, that secular people also help others,

- Thats big of you. Why pray tell do you persist then?

however I would argue that this is proportionately very limited compared to what is done within the Orthodox community. I’m afraid you don’t really know what’s going on out there.

- Considering that the very service you are claiming as morally superior is in fact a service provided only to a restricted religious group, merely emphasizes how out of step your argument is. The very Ronald McDonald House you use as an example of 'atheist' spirit donates its services to anyone who needs them. Which is the greater moral service, offering help to those who are like yourself, or to anyone who needs it, even a stranger with a different faith? I have my thoughts on which choice Jesus would have reccomended.

How is it you prefer the material comforts offered to you by other Orthodox Jews (merely because you are yourself an Orthodox Jew, not from any intrinsic human worth), to the cold atheist science that helps keep alive your son, and the thousands of others like him or worse?

Seems to me that the help offered to you by your faith is merely a palliative, while the help offered by science was both blind to your religion and actually effective in helping your son live.

And yet you cast your darts at science?

Cameron

jewish philosopher said...

I am casting darts at a belief system, namely atheism, which is amoral and which teaches that humans have no more worth than any other animal or for that matter any other water balloon.

Cameron said...

Curious you feel that way when it is that very amoral science which gives life to your child through modern medicine.

That said, where do you find these atheist 'teachings' that man is without worth? Humanism is a secular philosophy that teaches the exact opposite.

You conflate a number of items into one atheist boogeyman. Atheism is a simple philosophical position - there are no gods.

The fact that we don't believe in Zeus or Zoroaster doesn't mean we are without morality (what do you think the study of 'Ethics' is for anyway? It's the search for the reasonable grounds of moral conduct).

You further confuse atheism with 'nihlism' at every opportunity. The fact there are no supernatural being doesn't mean that life is meaningless.

Indeed, I would argue that life could only have meaning if there are no gods.(a debate for another time)

And to make your boogeyman even scarier, you drag out eggregious Hitler comparisons, smear us with the crimes of communism, and leaving no stone unturned, in this last post, you even accuse of us being less than charitable towards others.

It's a target made of straw.

Atheists are moral, charitable, temperate, kind, loving and sincere in equal amounts to all other peoples. We don't have horns (Ok, in my pic I certainly do, but it was halloween and I'm smoking with my eye - so take it for what it is), drink the blood of children or seek to impose our atheism on everyone else at the point of a gun (we do object to having your backwards belief system imposed on our kids as being 'science' though - for the simple fact that it isn't).

But it would be nice if we weren't disparaged and slurred merely to satisfy your misguided sense of religious superiority.

Margaritagirrl said...

As a member of the orthodox community, and a volunteer with the Satmar Bikur Cholim, please let me clarify;
We do NOT only help the orthodox - every jew, regardless - gets the same help, the same kindness. We do not discriminate.
We have a fund-raising party once a year. We depend on the donations from the people in our community who turn up in big numbers to help us. Everyone, every household, has a story to tell about how Satmar Bikur Cholim helped them, either in hospital with food, or getting aides for overnight vigils, apartments nearby hospitals for shabbos and yom tov for those who come to be with the patient. We write checks to doctors every day, to help the needy that cannot manage the high cost of medical care. We help new mothers, who need a few days of rest before returning home to their large families. We send them to a recuperation home, with nurses for the babies, so the mothers can sleep at night, and with all the luxuries that a new mother deserves.
We do so much more.....I can't put it into a short comment.
Go to http://www.jewishworldreview.com and see an article titled SATMAR'S SISTERS OF MERCY by Jonathan Mark. It will give you some idea of what we are.

Margaritagirrl said...

And by the way - I totally agree with the author of this blog.
Why, why, why, does it always have to be the negative issues that get printed, have to be gossiped about? Every community has it's good and bad. As the author writes, "Thousands of daily acts of selfless kindness and charity go almost unnoticed!"
REFUAH SHELAIMU TO SAMSON!

jewish philosopher said...

Thank you Margaritta. Boruch Hashem, he's feeling a little better every day. He's now watching Bob the Builder with a little DVD player propted up on his wheelchair.

Anonymous said...

This is from a client of mine who told me how he envies the orthodox people when he is on the road. They will more than anyone else on the road stop to help a driver in trouble with his car, so much so that he said, he will always carry a Yarmulke when he drives, just in case. And let them come up with an organization that does what " Chaverim does". Anybody can call "Chaveirim", orthodox, conservative, reform, atheists, they don't either ask , which religion you adhere to, they don't even know if you are Jewish, they attend to each call in minutes and free of charge. And boy are they busy! Day and night.. And what about Hatzolah, do they even understand how Hatzolah is functioning.
These people cannot "fargin" that someone says something good about the Orthodox. they have very little understanding of what real ("Chesed ")good deeds, is all about.

Vile Blasphemer said...

"I am casting darts at a belief system, namely atheism, which is amoral and which teaches that humans have no more worth than any other animal or for that matter any other water balloon."

It's unfortunate that you are doing this from either a position that is ill informed or purposefully pedantic. It is unfair to assume that atheists are less giving because of the size of their pocketbooks. Remember that they are a small minority in this country and as such don't command that much money. The premier atheist organization in the United States has an operating budget of less than a million dollars and has fewer than 2,000 members.

Furthermore, many folks, I assume like yourself, would refuse to donate money to a secular charity establishment in favor of one reflecting their own religion. Sorry, JP, but you didn't consider all the variables.

jewish philosopher said...

I don't think that atheists have any reason to care about anyone except themselves other than perhaps flimsy sentimentalism.

Perhaps you could explain to me - why is human life any more important than insect life?

Vile Blasphemer said...

"I don't think that atheists have any reason to care about anyone except themselves other than perhaps flimsy sentimentalism."

That's a very bigoted response. And of course human life is more important than insect life- humans are aware of their own existence and have a greater capacity for empathy despite the structure of our beliefs. It all has to do with neurological complexity and development.

jewish philosopher said...

It's actually a very true response which explains the dismal human rights records of all atheistic governments.

Insects may be aware of their own existence as well. And so what if we are more complex? Do computers have more rights than typewriters for example?

Vile Blasphemer said...

"It's actually a very true response which explains the dismal human rights records of all atheistic governments."

Nonsense, sociological study has shown for decades that militaristic facism served as a surrogate pseudo-religion for those governments. Subsequently, Show me one theocratic government that has a better than abyssmal human rights record and I'll give you that point.

Besides, we're discussing charity, not systems of government. I might add that the two most historically prolific donations to charity came from atheists and that the Gates Foundation itself is globally quite well known.

"Insects may be aware of their own existence as well."

Research disagrees with you; furthermore, your computer/typewriter analogy is false. They're not alive.

jewish philosopher said...

Dear Vile,

If I had to take a choice, I would prefer to reside in theistic Saudi Arabia rather than atheistic North Korea. However nutty Islam is, and I want to do a post on that, at least they have some belief in the sanctity of life.

Vile Blasphemer said...

The religious philosophy of a government is beside the point. With or without religion, North Korea is still an autocracy. Why choose a relative moderate like Saudi Arabia? Why not choose between North Korea and Iran? Religious sentiment doesn't factor when the larger structure of the government follows a human rights hostile system. If you can show me an atheist constitutional democracy with a terrible human rights record, I might consider your point, but since America largely follows this kind of model, I'll consider you wrong.

Anyway, you're now dodging the atheist charity issue, so I guess this means you're conceding the point?

jewish philosopher said...

Saudi Arabia is more religious than Iran if I'm not mistaken. And North Korea is the only staunchly atheist state at the moment.

Constitutional democracies are based on the concept of human rights. Atheists consider humans to have no special importance and therefore do not believe in democracy.

I think atheists living in more or less theistic societies are smart enough to give something to charity since people appreciate that. Especially if they are so fabulously wealthy that they cannot possibly use all their money in any case.

Vile Blasphemer said...

The Saudi comment was a joke- I was pointing out that religious autocracy is religious autocracy no matter where.

Constitutional democracies are based on the concept of human rights.

And thus must be atheistic to avoid the "special status" that most religions give their own proponents. If the United States wasn't designed with atheism in mind, you would have had a far more difficult life here.

Atheists consider humans to have no special importance and therefore do not believe in democracy.

Outrageous and patently libelous. You are opening the door to atheist scapegoating.

If we were to rewrite all of your comments, but replace the word "atheist" with "Jew", you would end up sounding exactly like the anti-semites you bemoan. Don't you see how easily your rationale turns to hate?

jewish philosopher said...

I see how easily atheism, which preaches that humans are no more than soulless bags of water, protein and nucleic acid, turns to genocide.

Vile Blasphemer said...

Absurd- atheism doesn't lead to genocide; racist autocracy does. Why are you so hostile towards the beliefs of others?

jewish philosopher said...

I'm not hostile toward anyone's beliefs. I'm hostile towards evil.

Vile Blasphemer said...

And you're defining the belief system of atheism as evil- so you're hostile toward atheists, yeah?

I'm sorry, but you are clearly a bigot. I'm sure you are satisfied with claiming that anyone who is not Jewish is not fully an authority on what Jews believe or how they live. If you feel justified making such broad, prejudiced claims against atheists, then you should have no problem with those who spread absurd claims about Judaism. Do you see the inherent irony in what you are doing?

jewish philosopher said...

I don't make any secret of the fact that the purpose of this blog is two fold - to promote Orthodox Judaism and to critique other religions, in particular atheism.

If you want to make a pro-atheist, anti-Jewish blog go ahead, however I think you might find a dozen or so already out there.

Vile Blasphemer said...

Ah- so you do admit to being a bigot. What a funny little world this is.

jewish philosopher said...

bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

I'm tolerant of your comments aren't I?

Vile Blasphemer said...

I'm amazed, given how often you erased them in the past. Of course, willingness to listen and willingness to tolerate are two completely different things.

jewish philosopher said...

Methinks Vile Blasphemer may also be vile liar... What did I ever erase?

Vile Blasphemer said...

I don't lie and here's your proof- way, way back in the history of this blog (alright, really this spring) you wrote an absurdly misinformed piece about atheism and evolution to which I soundly trounced you with criticism. You erased my comment, but then rewrote part of the article to sidestep my critique.

I critiqued your pedantic claims three more times and each time you erased them while reworking your article. Finally, I waited until your posts had advanced a bit and then commented again. Amazingly enough, you didn't erase it.

The article in question is located here if you still believe me a liar.

This earned you the link tag on my blog "Erases every comment in contention, but his aberrant claims are hilarious to read" but your recent comments have inspired me to give you a new link tag.

Enjoy your new found knowledge.

jewish philosopher said...

I was learning how to use blogger.com back then.

Vile Blasphemer said...

You expect me to believe that after five months and dozens of posts, that you hadn't really figured out how to use your own blog? Who is the liar now?

jewish philosopher said...

I'm still learning. I recently bought a book.

grose said...

For those who equate atheism with science, you are so, so wrong. The Rambam, the great Maimonides was somehthing you would have to call akin to a scientist - and he was religious not atheistic. Science is not thanks to G-dless people. In fact, there are thousands of G-d fearing doctors, scientists and philosophers out there. That is not the realm of atheism. Atheism is a belief in one's own limited logic, twisting and warping belief. Ayn Rand would be the classic example, the one who found her imaginary hero able to rape, commit arson, and still be a hero because it made sense to his twisted own sense of ego. That is atheism, not science. As for atheists doing for others - atheists who do such things have an identity crisis for it makes no sense. If there is no G-d, why do good and not evil. Ah, for the greater societal good? Right? But Ayn Rand rails against that. Is her truth anymore true than the atheists who believe in altruistic acts? Both are acceptable under atheism.

Vile Blasphemer said...

It doesn't take five months and a textbook to know what the words "Erase Comment" mean or what the words "Edit Post" mean. That sounds like a guilty excuse.

Furthermore, I'm genuinely curious, do you understand how hateful and ignorant you sound when you talk about atheists?

How civil is it to spread claims that a group is incapable of charity because of what they believe?

Of all the people on Earth, I imagined the Jewish would understand best how reviled atheists are. Do you know any atheists at all?

jewish philosopher said...

My Dad was an atheist. But thanks to his selfishness, I never met him.

Vile Blasphemer said...

So you have a hardwired, psychological bent against atheism? Does that justify the equation: one atheist = all atheists?

jewish philosopher said...

I try to back up my posts with evidence and logic.

Why don't you enlighten me and tell me about all the people who have recovered from alcoholism by becoming atheists, all the criminals who have become become honest, all the warm, close knit atheistic communities world wide, etc.

Vile Blasphemer said...

You didn't answer my question.

Furthermore, how about you instead measure how many atheists are alcoholics or criminals? How about investigating the volumes of study that describe why substance abusers and criminals turn to religion so easily?

We could continue to argue back and forth forever about how an entire group can be smeared by only the reputation of one individual, but really, that can be done to almost any ethnic or religious group. I know that you already claim to have an agenda for promoting a religion, but do you feel the need to dehumanize others to accomplish your goal? It certainly seems that way.

I must point out also that you note that you are a computer programmer in your profile. That's another strike against your purported "learning Blogger" excuse.

jewish philosopher said...

So sarcastic, so cynical, so bitter… typical atheist.

Anyway, why do I say that on the average atheists are more selfish, cruel and self-destructive than Orthodox Jews? Because I think that they are and I think it’s important to publicize that fact.

Vile Blasphemer said...

Sarcastic? Cynical? Bitter? I'm not the one who claims that an entire group of people are immoral and uncharitable. Why are you so hateful? Do you realize that every atheists I know refuses to admit thier atheism publicly out of fear of people exactly like you?

I never called atheism better than Judaism in any case and, I might point out, "Because I think that they are and I think it’s important to publicize that fact." Is this that "evidence" that you were talking about?

jewish philosopher said...

My blog is loaded with evidence, with more to come I'm sure, regarding the moral superiority of Orthodox Jews.

And if you are such a super nice guy, why are are named "vile"?

Vile Blasphemer said...

Wait, wait, let me get this straight- your believe Orthodox Jews are morally superior to every one regardless of their beliefs?

jewish philosopher said...

The worst Orthodox Jew is morally superior to the best atheist.

If you disagree with me, why don't you prove me wrong?

I give you my word of honor, as a signatory of the Third Geneva Convention of 1925 regarding blog comments, not to delete it.

I'm sorry if I'm hurting your feeling, however I don't feel any ethical need to censor myself.

Vile Blasphemer said...

LOL- You haven't hurt my feelings. I just feel sorry for all the atheists that you wish dead. Do you believe that Orthodox Jews are morally superior to everyone?