Thursday, July 06, 2006

A Taste of Nietzsche


Die fröhliche Wissenschaft
("la gaya scienza")
(1882)

Heilige Grausamkeit 73.

Heilige Grausamkeit. — Zu einem Heiligen trat ein Mann, der ein eben geborenes Kind in den Händen hielt. "Was soll ich mit dem Kinde machen? fragte er, es ist elend, missgestaltet und hat nicht genug Leben, um zu sterben". "Tödte es, rief der Heilige mit schrecklicher Stimme, töte es und halte es dann drei Tage und drei Nächte lang in deinen Armen, auf dass du dir ein Gedächtnis machest: — so wirst du nie wieder ein Kind zeugen, wenn es nicht an der Zeit für dich ist, zu zeugen". — Als der Mann dies gehört hatte, ging er enttäuscht davon; und Viele tadelten den Heiligen, weil er zu einer Grausamkeit geraten hatte, denn er hatte geraten, das Kind zu töten. "Aber ist es nicht grausamer, es leben zu lassen?" sagte der Heilige.

In this passage, entitled "Holy Cruelty", Nietzsche, one of the pillars of modern atheism, has a "holy man" advise the father of a disabled child to kill the child since "Aber ist es nicht grausamer, es leben zu lassen?" ["Isn't it more cruel to allow it to live?"]

Is it any wonder that Nazis looked to Nietzsche as one of their "founding fathers"? And is it any wonder that, to my knowledge, every officially atheistic government in history has been fiendishly cruel? We see today, for example, North Korea is launching missiles while the people starve. Perhaps Nietzsche would have approved such holy cruelty as well; who knows?

Apparently atheists who live in more or less Christian countries accept more or less Christian ethics because of societal pressures, not real conviction. This concoction is called "secular humanism". However when left to themselves in control of their own society, atheists can live according to their true beliefs, which means that human life has no more value than animal life. This explains the huge body count accumulated in just one century by atheistic governments.

11 comments:

jewishskeptic said...

>"Is it any wonder that Nazi's looked to Nietzsche as one of their founding fathers? And is it any wonder that, to my knowledge, every officially atheistic government in history has been fiendishly cruel? We see today, for example, North Korea is launching missiles while the people starve. Perhaps Nietzsche would have approved such holy cruelty as well; who knows?"


Why don't you familiarize yourself with the Bible & read about the annihilation of the 7 nation who were utterly to be wiped out,man,women & children,even the livestock?
Their sin being that they didn't want to be conquered & wanted to worship their own gods.
Ah yes,there is a perfect answer *God ordered it*.That makes it OK!
In Yiddish there is a saying 'der rebbe meg'-the rebbe - God- can do whatever he whatever pleases him.

Why don't you read about the 'moral'laws about waging war against another nation,that unless they completely subjugated themselves & agreed to slavery,they were all to be killed,including the little boys,all the females except the very young virgins.(& the Talmudic rabbis in their phantasies,came up with the idea that the young girls were passed before the Urim Vetumim & if her faced changed colours,that meant she wasn't a virgin & was killed...

I believe it's all myth, so it doesnt affect my Jewish identity.
We contributed more than enough to world culture & civilization.No apologies needed!
But you ,who believes it's the literal word of God,how do you explain it?
Or the permission given given-in Deut.21,parshat ki tetse,in wartime,to rape every woman,single or married.Yes,the rabbis explaind that the warrior was entitled to a first shtup,& only afterwards was the woman to sit a month in mourning-if he wanted to marry her.
Thats how the Talmud explains the story of Amnon & Tamar.Well,I am too tired to get into all that.
What about 'ir hanidachat',people of a city who decided to worship a different God & not Yahvah ,the city with all its people & livestock was to be obliterated?


I don't know why I bother commenting on your blog.You don't answer anything or you are just not capable.

you give stupid remarks,like to my comment on your previous blog,about The Satmar & Belzer Rebbes.
If that's the best you can do,I'll stop commenting on your blog.That will probably make you happy,but I don't want to waste my time & not get anything in return.

jewish philosopher said...

Dear Jewishskeptic,

Your comments are as always thought provoking. Thank you.

Regarding the Biblical commandment to kill Canaanites, I think you must bear in mind that God knows everything, past, present and future. If he commands me to kill a baby, I can rest assured that He has good reasons. Perhaps that baby would grow up to be a terrorist who will slam a plane into a skyscraper. Therefore killing apparently innocent Canaanites was ethical. And of course, today those laws are no longer applicable and have not been for several thousand years.

However, regarding Nietzsche, in Die fröhliche Wissenschaft paragraph 73, he clearly implied that disabled children should be killed because to do so is the lesser cruelty. He sanctifies this as “holy cruelty”. I personally have a quadriplegic son and I happen to know many people in the disabled community and very few wish they were dead, probably not more so than the rest of us. What right did Nietzsche have to write this murderous drivel, which the Nazis later acted upon? And the fact that this man is still revered as a great philosopher by many atheists tells us something about atheism.

As far as rape goes, my copy of the Bible, Deut. 21:10 – 14, mentions nothing about non-consensual intercourse. Were you perhaps watching a porno video and you thought it was the Bible?

aaron said...

Jewishskeptic, in case you didn't know, the 7 nations were free to leave the land (which they stole from the sons of Shem). If they wanted to stay and fight, I guess that was they're choice.

aaron said...

sorry, should be 'that was their choice'.

Avi said...

The Jewish Philosopher is not much of a philosopher. Everything is answered with because God did it or God said so. I have tried to engage him in conversation but got no where with that. He is like my wife, who is equally stubborn about religion, and is very religious. But at least my wife is BEAUTIFUL. I dont think that I can say the same about the Jewish nonphilosopher. Avi

Avi said...

AAron, the world is like that. Nations go to war with other nations and they take their land. So the Jews are allowed to steal land from the Cannanim, but the Cannanim are not allowed to do the same. So they stole it from the sons of Shem. Big deal.

Avi said...

AAron, the world is like that. Nations go to war with other nations and they take their land. So the Jews are allowed to steal land from the Cannanim, but the Cannanim are not allowed to do the same. So they stole it from the sons of Shem. Big deal.

Avi said...

If he commands me to kill a baby, I can rest assured that He has good reasons. Perhaps that baby would grow up to be a terrorist who will slam a plane into a skyscraper.


So why didn't some kill Hitler before he did all that damage? Why didn't he command someone to stop the terrorists before they got to the world trade center? You have no answer you just like to talk. You know something, your not even that smart. Nor am I for that matter, but at least I know it. You dont. Avi

the only way i know said...

every time i think i've seen it all on blogs - i find someone new - havent read through yours yet, but a quick skim through makes me want to!
will be back!
:)

jewish philosopher said...

"Why didn't he command someone to stop the terrorists before they got to the world trade center? You have no answer you just like to talk."

I've got a better question: Why does anyone have to suffer or die at all? Why can't we all live forever in Paradise? The answer: sin. We've messed up.

Read the Bible for details.

aaron said...

Avi, you missed my point. The Jews are the sons of Shem. In other words, it was always OUR land.